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What Microsoft gets for $2 billion

126 pointsby lobomanover 14 years ago

15 comments

cletusover 14 years ago
Isn't it simple? Microsoft is sinking a huge pile of money into improve Bing, getting market share and making acquisitions (altough I guess these wouldn't be expensed directly against income).<p>Whether or not that's a wise strategy is another matter but there really is no mystery here.
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iterationxover 14 years ago
Steve Ballmer says he is willing to invest 5%-10% of Microsoft's operating income over the next five years on search. Read more: <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-steve-ballmer-has-gone-bonkers-2009-6#ixzz19NFIfq1Z" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-steve-ballmer-h...</a> Specifically, assuming Microsoft's operating income stays constant (it will likely grow), it's $5.5-$11 billion.<p>endquote.
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natmasterover 14 years ago
Disclaimer: I do not speak for Microsoft, I am simply an employee - these opinions are mine and mine alone.<p>As someone working in the online services division I have to say that this analysis is extremely simplistic. Would they be saying the same thing about Facebook? It was in the red for many years before it became profitable. That was the plan.
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apedleyover 14 years ago
This is such small thinking.<p>As one of the commenters on the page did: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/jHLOX.png" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/jHLOX.png</a><p>It shows a much more likely scenario. Although maybe a bit over the top with the naming of the profit section as Google Kill Zone. Why can't big companies play nice. :)
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nopinsightover 14 years ago
It's not the absolute amount that matters most, especially for a company with Microsoft's size and cash flow.<p>Google's 2009 revenue is over 23 billion dollars and its operating income is over 8 billion. Considering the market size, two billion is not over the top. Not to mention online is a growth market and its strategic value is paramount. They're not a startup and they can invest really long-term to capture part of a market this significant.
anonsoftieover 14 years ago
This is a challenging problem that doesn't fit nicely into comments or short blog posts, but I'll try.<p>Search is a tremendously expensive game to try and win. It's economics are such that the more search share you have, the more money you earn per search. This is a critical point, so I'll spell it out a little further.<p>All search companies have more advertiser dollars than they have searches to spend them on, Google, Yahoo and Bing included. It's a supply constrained marketplace. The search ROI is so good for advertisers that they all want to spend more money at their current CPCs, but there aren't enough searches. This supply constraint leads to a problem for the smaller players. Search revenue is driven by having lots of advertisers compete in every auction. The larger the share, the more clicks each advertiser will get, and thus the more advertisers you attract. The smaller scale players don't drive enough clicks for some advertisers for it to be worth their time to set up and manage campaigns on them, while the larger scale players it is worth their while (the return they get exceeds the fixed cost of advertising in the marketplace). So with fewer advertisers, there are fewer bidders in the 2nd price auction, and the revenue per search is lower for the smaller scale players.<p>So how does this apply to Microsoft's online division? Well, if they want to catch Google, they're going to have to do it at a scale disadvantage, meaning that Google is going to make more off of the same searches than Microsoft will simply because they have a bigger marketplace. To beat that, Microsoft has to commit to spending lots of money to try and close that scale gap by buying share through distribution deals and spending a ton on technology to differentiate the search product while accepting that they don't monetize the searches they do have as well. If they can eventually build a product that will pull enough marketshare from Google to be roughly equal, then they should start to see better monetization.<p>The valid questions are: 1. Is it possible to catch Google? Or are the market dynamics such that without a transformative difference in how the product works that Google will never be caught.<p>2. If it is possible to catch Google, how much money will you have to spend, and what will your eventual ROI be when you get there.<p>Since Microsoft is a company that does 60B in revenue, it has to look at big businesses to drive a 10% growth in that revenue. Your hot little startup that does $100MM doesn't make a dent. Even Facebook only does 1-2B, depending on which report you believe. Search is a 10B going to 20B market, and if Microsoft can spend 5B over 5 years to get half of that market and earn 10B every year it's worth it.<p>Of course, the division has been horribly mismanaged for years. Qi Lu now runs it, and he's a different breed from most Microsoft execs. So time will tell if it's a good bet or not for Microsoft.
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bl4kover 14 years ago
And if they canned online - all the pundits will be saying:<p><i>"Google is beating Microsoft because Microsoft DOESNT EVEN HAVE A MAPPING PRODUCT OR SEARCH ENGINE.. they do not see the FUTURE IS ONLINE.. blah blah blah.. "</i><p>This is Microsoft playing defense - and cheap relative to the profit machine they are defending
brudgersover 14 years ago
The chart doesn't account for the operational value of Bing for Microsoft.<p>If you want to search MSDN, Google doesn't get to sell advertising or skew the search results to fit their business model or for that matter track what you're searching. Likewise, searches from MicroSoft IP addresses using Bing aren't tracked by Google either.
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forgotAgainover 14 years ago
I think the greater damage is what Microsoft lost by being fixated on search for so long. They went to where the puck is not to where it was going. Because of that, they now face the same situation in mobile.<p>In other words they've become reactionary instead of being innovative.
disruptivetechover 14 years ago
Many see online as a "loss-leader", consider it setting out your stall. MS makes plenty of cash from selling product, but you could argue without the online presence their sales would be diminished - so where they are on the balance is what really needs to be considered i.e. if they shut up shop online, what the cost to the OS/Office division would be now and in the future?<p>There is always the hope to tough it out in the hop of eventually gaining more market share as your competitors run out of steam and cash.
prestyover 14 years ago
February 2010..
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mwertyover 14 years ago
I think the infuriating logic goes something like this:<p>1. If the shareholders held a gun to my head, can I make this profitable? Answer is probably yes but for some tiny profit.<p>2. Do I see any other big prizes I can spend money on given I'm running a company with this skillset? Ans: Yes, but I still have lots left so what the heck.<p>Plus, if they return money to shareholders in dividends, its waaaay less fun.
grandalfover 14 years ago
To make the claim that this is a bad thing, one must argue that Microsoft's stock would be worth more today if Microsoft had not been aggressive about search.<p>How a company shows gains and losses is also very subjective. The numbers could turn around and show strong profits around the time that bing reaches 45% market share (which will be soon).
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moonhorseover 14 years ago
I am a fan of Scott, but the last paragraph on Sinofsky is laughable. Online business and software are different beasts. With all his advocation of the dogmatic triad model, Sinofsky would for sure slow down online service division and sink the business even more.
knownover 14 years ago
Sometime back I read MS <i>marketing</i> budget is more than $2 billion.