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Ask HN: How do you work on your personal product/market fit

11 pointsby tamersalamaalmost 6 years ago
As of lately, I&#x27;ve been struggling with the feeling that the organization I work for doesn&#x27;t recognize what I bring to the table.<p>This can very well be attributed to a multitude of things, but from the outset it looks like a product&#x2F;market fit problem.<p>Perhaps continuously iterating on the &#x27;product&#x27; will not lead to any desirable results if I&#x27;m addressing the wrong market.<p>Any similar reflections or ways to navigate it?

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muzanialmost 6 years ago
I started working at a web dev job that paid less than being a manager at KFC. This was poor PMF - the employer assumed that someone like me was a commodity that they could replace for a similar price, when I really just wanted to learn.<p>I took a large chunk of money, sold coffee. We made good money. But in those weeks, I got calls from former colleagues asking me to freelance, and they were paying way better than the coffee business. This was PMF - there was plenty of demand for Android devs in 2013.<p>After freelancing and failing projects for reasons out of mt control, I quit upon realizing that there were no good entrepreneurs. The market had a huge hole for startup leaders. I founded a startup. We got in a lot of programs because we fulfilled the requirements of having enough potential. Also customers actually bought our stuff, meaning we met some markets. But we didn&#x27;t fit the VC market - the VCs wanted something sexier. But our startup had an actual value to someone and we sold it for good money.<p>So, I suppose you can keep chasing PMF. You might have to switch fields a lot - an app developer for a hospital can bring more value than an app developer on a web-first company.<p>Generally the best places are the ones that are making lots of money, but need something to spend it on. It can be enterprise. It can be a consulting gig for a failing company, or a rapidly growing startup.
carusoonelineralmost 6 years ago
You&#x27;re absolutely right, the environment (&#x27;market&#x27;) matters as much as what you bring to the table (&#x27;product&#x27;). I&#x27;ve been in similar situations before where I&#x27;ve gone from being highly regarded by one manager to being regarded as average by the next manager. In a situation like this, it&#x27;s best to change teams. While scouting for a team, pick one that gets a lot of attention from company leadership as they tend to focus their attention on teams with growth prospects. A team with growth will have more room for you to shine.
shooalmost 6 years ago
One way to think about it: your current employer may have demand for people who can fill certain roles, in order for the business &#x2F; organisation to work, at this point in time.<p>From the perspective of designing how the business or organisation structures work, it may be the case that many of the individual roles are structured so that the organisation as a whole will succeed provided each person in each role performs the role to at least a mediocre level of ability. If someone does a really high quality or high efficiency job at their role, it may have a negligible impact on the organisation as a whole, as how well that role is performed is not a bottleneck.<p>What does this mean?<p>There&#x27;s probably a bunch of different roles you could fill with your skills and ability, but any given organisation may have no demand for those roles.<p>For many roles, there&#x27;s a limit to how much the org is willing to spend on someone to do it, if someone doing the role really well doesn&#x27;t have a large impact on the org.<p>In many orgs it may be difficult for you to argue that you could bring a lot of value by doing different role Y that you are really good at, when there is no demand or no perceived demand for Y and you are currently doing role X which they need filled to at least a mediocre level of ability. Or it might be possible that someone in management can be shown the value of what a Y role might bring, but there might not be enough ongoing Y work, so it might make more sense for the org to hire a temporary Y consultant instead of promoting&#x2F;switching you into the Y role.<p>The world is large, there are many opportunities with different organisations. Interview and create alternative options for yourself outside the system of the current org where you are employed.