TE
TechEcho
Home24h TopNewestBestAskShowJobs
GitHubTwitter
Home

TechEcho

A tech news platform built with Next.js, providing global tech news and discussions.

GitHubTwitter

Home

HomeNewestBestAskShowJobs

Resources

HackerNews APIOriginal HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 TechEcho. All rights reserved.

Open source all-iron battery for renewable energy storage

137 pointsby stevewilhelmalmost 6 years ago

14 comments

philipkglassalmost 6 years ago
A fundraising appeal for this project was posted to HN in 2017:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15618494" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15618494</a><p>I contributed. It&#x27;s great to see the results published.
Animatsalmost 6 years ago
Actual paper.[1] This looks like someone&#x27;s science fair project. This chemistry has lower energy density than nickel-iron (Edison, 1901). Iron batteries are commercially available.[2] Not much of interest here.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reader.elsevier.com&#x2F;reader&#x2F;sd&#x2F;pii&#x2F;S2468067219300318" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reader.elsevier.com&#x2F;reader&#x2F;sd&#x2F;pii&#x2F;S2468067219300318</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.essinc.com&#x2F;energy-storage-products&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.essinc.com&#x2F;energy-storage-products&#x2F;</a>
Causality1almost 6 years ago
Lithium ion battery prices are currently below $0.17 per watt-hour and expected to drop below $0.10 by 2024. Does the all iron battery have any advantages aside from being more environmentally friendly and not requiring lithium? I must admit, the &quot;safe for DIY&quot; description makes me want to give it a try.
评论 #20540946 未加载
评论 #20540311 未加载
评论 #20541731 未加载
kragenalmost 6 years ago
Certainly iron is the metal to look at if you&#x27;re going for the lowest cost, but the results so far are not inspiring.<p>There are about nine orders of magnitude in between these results and utility-scale energy storage, but it doesn&#x27;t seem like that&#x27;s what they&#x27;re aiming for—the existing flow batteries they mention in the paper would be a better fit. They seem to be aiming at home applications, but they are seven orders of magnitude away from even the “tens of kilowatts” they cite in their abstract as typical for such applications.<p>However, both the negative results they mention in passing and the positive ones are major contributions to the progress of such low-cost battery designs.<p>Iron costs around US$0.03 per kg, while lithium is more like US$300 and nickel is US$30. In the intervening 3 orders of magnitude, cheaper than nickel but not as cheap as iron, are aluminum, antimony, arsenic, cadmium, carbon, cerium, chromium, copper, lead, manganese, samarium, silicon, tin, titanium, vanadium, and zinc.<p>Some of these are unpromising precisely because they are too electronegative; zinc, as they said, cannot be reduced electrolytically in water; the same problem applies to titanium, aluminum, and carbon—but maybe a different electrolyte could solve that problem. Others, like lead, are already in common use for batteries.<p>Chromium, titanium dioxide, vanadium, tin and tin oxide, copper, manganese and its oxides, cerium, samarium, and of course lead seem like plausible candidates. Indeed at least zinc-cerium batteries exist.
评论 #20542277 未加载
评论 #20545854 未加载
blacksqralmost 6 years ago
+1 for discovering that a polymer used in diapers for absorbing moisture is a cheap and effective ion-permeable separator membrane.
评论 #20541075 未加载
edentalmost 6 years ago
This looks amazing - and great to see such detailed instructions.<p>One thing to note is that this probably isn&#x27;t yet ready for home storage of solar power.<p>&quot;Our iron battery has sufficient capabilities for practical use in low power devices and projects. The cell’s internal resistance is high, and so the discharge rate is limited.&quot;<p>At the moment it could be useful as a backup for high efficiency lighting. The bill of materials doesn&#x27;t cover any electronics to monitor and maintain the cells as the charge&#x2F;discharge.<p>But all pretty nifty!
评论 #20540939 未加载
评论 #20541968 未加载
dcahill-ieeealmost 6 years ago
It made 1mA of current, 0.5mW of power. Pretty long bow to draw linking this to renewable energy storage. A kettle uses a kW or 2 just to boil water. You would need a million of them to make a packet of noodles.
评论 #20541476 未加载
评论 #20542517 未加载
xvilkaalmost 6 years ago
Curiously, the article has a link[1] to the sources, located at OSF (Open Science Foundation), but it asks for the login first, not allowing to view without registration. Doesn&#x27;t look like open science to me.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;osf.io&#x2F;4jvr9&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;osf.io&#x2F;4jvr9&#x2F;</a>
评论 #20541698 未加载
0wisalmost 6 years ago
Great detailed publication ! Makes me want to build one.<p>Curious to know how much efficient this battery can become without using too hard to source material ! And for which kind of cycles.<p>Even if components are environmentally friendly, electricity production is never footprint free, so if you need to 2x it to compensate...
crispyambulancealmost 6 years ago
It makes me think of the Acquion project from Pittsburgh (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;aquionenergy.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;aquionenergy.com&#x2F;</a>). That was an interesting attempt to commercialize environmentally safe batteries intended for uses where low power density isn&#x27;t a problem-- eg underground energy storage for windfarms or solar arrays. They went bankrupt a couple years ago, but the concept was really exciting.<p>The immediate technical challenge with these kind of batteries at scale is the electronics to monitor and maintain the battery banks as well as deploying these things. It would take a truckload to set-up something usable for a house, I think.
nickcwalmost 6 years ago
To put the costs intro perspective, an 83 Amp Hour car battery (typically a small car might have a 40-60 AH battery and a large car &gt;100 AH) holds 1 kWh (kilo watt hour).<p>An 80AH battery can be had for about $100 on eBay.<p>The article states that the cost of materials might be $100&#x2F;kWh.<p>So you could get the storage for about the same price using a car battery.
cagenutalmost 6 years ago
I skimmed through looking for some key numbers but didn&#x27;t find them. I bet someone who knows how to read the many numbers they did share would be able to hazard a guess:<p>what would the $&#x2F;kWh look like?<p>how many cycles until you hit 90%, 80%, 50% capacity?
评论 #20542167 未加载
s_Hoggalmost 6 years ago
This reminds me of the cheap water purification thing that got rolled out across poorer bits of Africa. Any cost reduction possibilities for this design?
katoralmost 6 years ago
What are the odds the steel wool could catch fire on these?
评论 #20542097 未加载