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The Washington Post's bestseller lists have been wrong

160 pointsby gruseomalmost 6 years ago

6 comments

peterlkalmost 6 years ago
Here&#x27;s how &quot;Best Sellers&quot; become a thing:<p>Publishers count the number of books they sell.<p>This seems pretty simple, right? It is, but as a consequence, easily gamed. Publishers don&#x27;t sell to you and me, they sell to book stores. So, you create some marketing to get people to preorder your book from a lots of different book stores. Book sellers inform the number of copies based, in part, on preorder numbers. There are ways that you can get book stores to order many more books than there is demand for by fraudulently (not sure if it&#x27;s legally fraudulent, but maybe?) pre-ordering books, and stocking shelves with books that no one ever picks up. But boom, there you go - best seller.<p>If you want to cut out the middle man, and you&#x27;re rich enough, you can just _be_ the middle man. Buy all the books from the publisher, and resell them. The publisher still gets their money, so they don&#x27;t care. Again, now you have a best-seller.<p>And then, of course, there are legitimate sales that the best seller lists market themselves as measuring.<p>Book sellers don&#x27;t want to be stuck with unsold inventory, so there&#x27;s something of an arms race between book sellers and publishers&#x2F;authors.<p>After seeing this game first-hand, I no longer believe anything on a best-seller list. As Amazon continues their vertical integration, it&#x27;s not clear whether this problem will be addressed or not. The system can still be gamed, especially if it&#x27;s run by algorithms.<p>So, basically, I&#x27;d argue that it doesn&#x27;t matter whether WaPo is &quot;right&quot; or not because the input data is likely of poor quality anyways.
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hirundoalmost 6 years ago
Kudos to the Post for attempting to produce an objective list. The New York Times doesn&#x27;t:<p>&gt; In other words, The New York Times best-seller list is not a best-seller list -- which even The New York Times once acknowledged. In the early 1980s, William Peter Blatty, author of the monumental best-seller &quot;The Exorcist,&quot; sued The New York Times for only listing his novel on the list one time, even though it sold in the millions. In defending itself before the court, as reported by Book History, the annual journal of The Society for the History of Authorship, Reading and Publishing (Penn State University Press), The Times said, &quot;The list did not purport to be an objective compilation of information but instead was an editorial product.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;townhall.com&#x2F;columnists&#x2F;dennisprager&#x2F;2018&#x2F;04&#x2F;17&#x2F;the-new-york-times-bestseller-list-another-reason-americans-dont-trust-the-media-n2471554" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;townhall.com&#x2F;columnists&#x2F;dennisprager&#x2F;2018&#x2F;04&#x2F;17&#x2F;the-...</a>
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ilamontalmost 6 years ago
These lists can be manipulated. There was a case a few years back involving bogus bookstore sales of Lani Sarem’s &quot;Handbook for Mortals&quot; to trick the New York Times:<p><i>Stamper and other YA writers, including Jeremy West, began to investigate. Stamper shared messages he had received from bookshop staff who said they had been contacted to see if their store was an NYT-reporting shop – the paper’s lists are collated from information supplied by a confidential group of stores – before a bulk order was placed. Another bookshop shared similar information with West, while Publishers Weekly reported that a shop outside Las Vegas had a customer who ordered 87 copies after learning it was an NYT-reporting shop.</i><p>(Source: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;books&#x2F;2017&#x2F;aug&#x2F;25&#x2F;handbook-for-mortals-by-lani-sarem-pulled-from-nyt-bestsellers-list" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;books&#x2F;2017&#x2F;aug&#x2F;25&#x2F;handbook-for-m...</a>)<p>I&#x27;m also skeptical of data from Amazon, whose KDP Select&#x2F;Kindle Unlimited ebook platform is notorious for scams designed to ensure rank or extra payouts for authors. See <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.annchristy.com&#x2F;ku-scammers-on-amazon-what-you-need-to-know&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.annchristy.com&#x2F;ku-scammers-on-amazon-what-you-nee...</a> for an explanation of how one scam worked, and the HN discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11520212" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11520212</a>.
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pwinnskialmost 6 years ago
The process was broken for seven months before anybody noticed?<p>If I were the Washington Post, I&#x27;d wonder why nobody brought up discrepancies with other lists during that time.
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twerkinggumbyalmost 6 years ago
They should just get rid of bestseller lists. They exist purely for marketing and for tricking chumps into buying mediocre books.
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camillomilleralmost 6 years ago
That’s securities fraud
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