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We Aren’t Here to Learn What We Already Know (2016)

58 pointsby severinealmost 6 years ago

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JadeNBalmost 6 years ago
I never understand these context-free posts. The domain of what could be interesting to a hacker is very broad, but shouldn&#x27;t we say <i>something</i>?<p>Anyway, the actual title seems to have almost nothing to do with the meat (such as it is) of the article; the point seems to be the content of a handout distributed in class by the author, a teacher of a feminist and queer theories class, called &quot;Some Notes On How To Ask A Good Question About Theory That Will Provoke Conversation And Further Discussion From Your Colleagues&quot;. The guidelines aren&#x27;t bad overall, even if they&#x27;ll probably say nothing new to any curious hacker; they&#x27;re mostly just addressing &quot;Some Notes on How to Ask a Good Question&quot; (a very important skill for everyone, hackers included), without much focus on the social-theory part of it.
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duxupalmost 6 years ago
&gt;One challenge is that theory is not theology, though it sometimes tries hard to be, and though students, particularly students looking for language with which to critique various forms of power, often treat it that way.<p>I feel like this is something I see often where new language and ideas come out and folks who find it convient use them as a sort of unquestionable club to unleash upon the world.<p>I&#x27;m not sure that no matter how correct the theory is, that doing so is helpful in their cause.<p>Taking theory out of the classroom and into the larger world seems very difficult.
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callunaalmost 6 years ago
Oh wow, this is totally my jam. I love seeing this on HN because it’s a challenge to me to find analogies of how I can use this to inform my programming practice (and how I might use programming to inform my queer, feminist theory and critique)!<p>Here are some analogous experiences I thought of while reading:<p>&gt;The work of undoing what you know, or what you think you know, is hard.<p>Trying to swerve around cargo culting, not getting so locked into one programming pattern<p>&gt;“next step is to get students to interact critically with the writing”<p>One of the main reasons I love programming. Ask why one sequence of operations was applied versus another. Surface hidden complexity. To me, the exchange of code review and questions makes programming such a fun and in-depth form of collaborative writing.<p>&gt; “Take notes in the margins: mess with the text. Underline, star, jot down questions.”<p>This mindset of interactive reading is exactly what has helped me be successful as a programmer. When I am reviewing code, I pull and try to mark it up with comments, drop in debuggers locally, snoop on variables.<p>&gt; Linger over passages that are unclear or that strike you as particularly helpful or that don’t jar well with you<p>How I know when I’ve found a code smell, haha.<p>&gt; Contextualize the writing<p>A good reminder for writing PR descriptions. I tend to get my note into the trees right before a PR and sometimes it’s hard to zoom out!<p>&gt; “Scaffold your question with the information people need to answer it; ground your question deeper into the text itself.”<p>This is lovely. A nice reminder to me: before I run off and bug our senior DBA with a vague question, I should gather nearby context clues, log output, what I’ve tried, repro steps, whatever I can to support my question.<p>&gt; A good discussion question reframes some of the problems of the text<p>Some of my fav technical mentors would ask questions to poke holes in my argument (my code), rather than telling me “X won’t work.” Their questions would inevitably cause me to dig into the why.<p>&gt; If you can answer your question while you are writing it<p>Rubber ducking!<p>On charting institutional and personal knowledge: &gt; when we pool all of our knowledge because it really makes clear the overwhelmingly rich and global resources for left thinking that are both there to be accessed and also suppressed and forgotten as origins for our current thinking.<p>I can think of many engineer discussions where mob diagramming what the group believes the architecture &#x2F; structural history is reveals new information to folks and gaps in understanding.<p>This are just some of the bridges I see between this post and my daily work of writing code. Thank you for sharing this!
kleer001almost 6 years ago
Color me stupid, and maybe this isn&#x27;t even in my wheel-house (or near my hobby horse), but isn&#x27;t it important to find out what is demonstrably true?<p>What good is a theory (or &quot;theory&quot;) if it doesn&#x27;t bang up against reality and have the potential to die and be forgotten? Is there some clade of humans that just regurgitate theory back and forth to each other? Or is this entertainment?<p>I&#x27;m probably missing something. I&#x27;m probably thinking at the wrong level of analysis. I&#x27;m lost. Help?
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omarhaneefalmost 6 years ago
I enjoyed this article too, but it amuses me that people want to find a connection between this and programming, perhaps to unite their two tribes.<p>Not everything has to do with programming, nor would you want it to. Even if the article is on hacker news. Sometimes just enjoy the thing-in-itself, without drawing a connection to technology.<p>These connections exist, like they do between anything else in life. But that may not be the most interesting thing about the piece.