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Alphabet overtakes Apple to become most cash-rich company

284 pointsby espeedalmost 6 years ago

17 comments

wpascalmost 6 years ago
This reminds me of a talk I watched with Peter Thiel and Eric Schmidt. I know Thiel is controversial, but he was well-meaningly digging at Google for running out of ideas and no longer innovating.<p>The criticism was something like &quot;You have so much cash on hand but no ideas to invest in. However, you can&#x27;t pay a dividend because the second you do, you&#x27;re admitting you&#x27;ve run out of ideas and are no longer innovating&quot;.<p>I think that may be somewhat of an overstatement, but given news like this, Thiel&#x27;s got a point? Buying back their own stock (As mentioned by another commenter in [1]) is a better investment of that cash instead of investing in newer technology? Please prove me wrong with a good counterpoint because I don&#x27;t want to believe its true.<p>The specter of technological and scientific stagnation that Thiel&#x2F;Weinstein (Right and Left wing individuals) talk about so much really scares me.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2019-07-25&#x2F;alphabet-.." rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2019-07-25&#x2F;alphabet-...</a>.
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noegoalmost 6 years ago
Finance 101: Being cash-rich is a major advantage in environments where fundraising is a major hurdle, and where the funds can be put to productive use very quickly. For example, for a startup to raise funds for a major marketing campaign, it has to go through a lengthy and attention-demanding process of pitching to VCs and negotiating terms. Hence why having a big war-chest ready to fire, can be a competitive advantage for a startup.<p>For big public companies, it&#x27;s the opposite. If a company wants to fundraise 10% of its market-cap, either for an acquisition or major investment, it doesn&#x27;t require nearly as much effort. It can issue new shares, and immediately sell them to investors the next day for cash. The hard part is finding profitable investments, not raising the funds to make it happen. Hence why there&#x27;s little competitive advantage in hoarding cash.<p>On the flip side, having a big cash hoard is bad for your investors&#x27; returns. It bloats your market-cap, without having any impact on earnings. This means that your P&#x2F;E ratio is now inflated, and your earnings yield is reduced. From an investor&#x27;s perspective, if you have invested $100 in the company, you&#x27;re only only getting back $6 in profits every year, not $7 or $8.<p>Another way to look at this, is that Google&#x2F;Apple invest their cash hoard very conservatively, in things like short-term treasuries, because of which their returns are very low. Whereas most of their investors would far prefer to invest the money in investments that produce better returns, such as the S&amp;P 500. By not returning the cash hoard to its investors, Google is essentially forcing them to make low-return investments that they would never make otherwise. Of course, investors aren&#x27;t going to be happy with this, and they will retaliate by lowering their valuation of GOOG stock, thus depressing the share price.
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skybrianalmost 6 years ago
Probably not coincidentally, they also just announced a plan to buy back $25 billion.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2019-07-25&#x2F;alphabet-sales-top-analysts-estimates-calming-growth-concerns" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2019-07-25&#x2F;alphabet-...</a>
wufufufualmost 6 years ago
In StarCraft, you always want to be at 0 minerals and 0 gas because that means you are maximizing your investment into buildings and units. People make fun of you if you don&#x27;t have the skill to optimize for this.
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parsimo2010almost 6 years ago
It&#x27;s important to note that what they really mean is most cash-rich of companies for which public information is available. There are some state owned enterprises around the world that might be able to beat this amount of money even if they don&#x27;t have the name recognition of Google or Apple.<p>Saudi Aramco may soon be publicly traded, so we have some information on them, but what is interesting is that while we know they are more profitable than Alphabet, we aren&#x27;t sure exactly where they are putting all their money. It could be going to a holding scheme that could very well top Alphabet in terms of cash on hand.<p>There is probably a Russian entity that gives Alphabet a run for its money as well.
aduitsisalmost 6 years ago
This will come out as pure whining and probably off-topic, but how on Earth can they can have so much money (in cash no less) and at the same time can&#x27;t sell some of their flagship products worldwide?<p>We&#x27;re halfway through 2019, I&#x27;m sitting in a small eurozone country and still can&#x27;t give them my money and order a Google Pixel properly from their site. Using this example because I consider a phone to be a relatively expensive device that probably generates a good profit over its lifetime. Other non-hardware products which produce smaller profits, such as activating a magazine subscription on the Google News application probably don&#x27;t even register on their radar.<p>Apple, with all its failings, is always there and never misses the opportunity to ring the cash register. Sometimes they move slowly, but always make it eventually. Won&#x27;t even go to non-hardware players like Netflix.<p>Come to think of it, maybe having so much cash is a mixed blessing for Alphabet, because it could be the actual cause if the above mentioned behaviour.
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jameslkalmost 6 years ago
Personal conspiracy theory: these tech companies are sitting on their piles of cash waiting for the next recession so they can go on a shopping spree for all the cheap startups unable to raise any further rounds and unprofitable IPO&#x27;d unicorns crashing on the stock market
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JauntTrooperalmost 6 years ago
Apparently Berkshire Hathaway has even more: $122B vs. Alphabet&#x27;s $117B:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2019-08-03&#x2F;buffett-s-cash-pile-hits-record-as-berkshire-holds-122-billion" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2019-08-03&#x2F;buffett-s...</a>
JohnJamesRamboalmost 6 years ago
I’ve always wondered what Apple does with all the cash it has and this seems like a great place to ask. What do companies do with it all? Is there an article that goes into the details? Is it invested? In what? Hoarded in a bank vault? What precautions are in place for such large amounts?
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rvn1045almost 6 years ago
Why dont Google, Microsoft or Apple start operating more like Amazon? these companies have so much cash that thet could literally start 100s of startups within with small teams just like Amazon is doing.
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webninjaalmost 6 years ago
Google had a Earnings Per Share of $14.21 in the recent quarter. Google can return a dividend or share buyback of up to that amount. They can say that they have plenty of good ideas and are working on them but just don’t have $20 Billion dollars worth of good ideas. Apple and Microsoft are strongly viewed companies that give dividends.<p>Due to the 3 classes of Alphabet shares, I’m not hanging my hat on this happening due to how voting rights are structured. Probably won’t happen with Facebook or Snapchat either for the same reason.
vadym909almost 6 years ago
Maybe they can just convert a bunch of their contractors to fulltime and create new customers for their Pixel phones, Chrome laptops- like Ford did 100 years ago.
neonatealmost 6 years ago
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gesmanalmost 6 years ago
Imagine if someone will create an ideal ad blocking service.<p>How much wealth will be wiped out ...
tempsyalmost 6 years ago
I feel like this perfectly makes the case for Andrew Yang.
robertAngstalmost 6 years ago
This is USD?<p>I know it seems like a doomsday scenerio, but if the US goes through a moderate hyperinflation, do these companies die?
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wyxuanalmost 6 years ago
Apple has used most of it on share buybacks, while alphabet has most of it locked up in Gov&#x27;t bonds
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