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Launch HN: Compound (YC S19) – helping employees understand equity compensation

140 pointsby jrdngonenalmost 6 years ago
Hi HN, we&#x27;re Jacob and Jordan, the founders of Compound (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;withcompound.com&#x2F;equity" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;withcompound.com&#x2F;equity</a>). We help employees understand their equity compensation.<p>We started Compound after seeing way too many of our friends get screwed over by startup equity.<p>You hear the story often: wide-eyed engineer accepts an offer and 100,000 options from an exciting startup. Woohoo! Suddenly you must make what may turn out to be the most important financial decision of your life, whether you know it yet or not: should you exercise your options?<p>The answer to this question depends upon many nuanced factors. Does the company allow for early exercising? If not, how long should you wait to exercise your options? When will you owe taxes? What is the Alternative Minimum Tax? How long is the exercise window if you cease employment? Will you ever qualify for the QSBS tax exemption? Will this be a qualifying disposition? Does your...wait...could you have negotiated for more equity? Do you really believe in the company? Should you even be working at an early-stage startup that you do not believe in?<p>Equity is really confusing. There is no one-size-fits-all solution. However, your equity is a crucial part of your compensation and is worth being scrutinized as such. Many people miss out on significant upside because they fail to familiarize themselves with key terms before it is too late.<p>There are 300-page books written on options but _nothing_ is personalized. Large financial institutions won’t talk to you unless you have millions of dollars in liquid assets. To make things worse, most companies do a terrible job of helping their candidates and employees understand the value of their equity. What does 100,000 options even mean? HR teams are frequently asked about equity-and tax-related matters from their employees and are forbidden from sharing useful, true things.<p>Jacob and I got really interested in these problems during our final year of university. We read books, consumed the entire tax code, and talked with dozens of experts. We became the de facto equity resource in our circles and helped hundreds of people with everything from negotiating offers to exercising options. This led to the start of Compound.<p>Over the years, there have been many proposals to fix equity compensation. There is no obvious simple answer. What is clear is that today’s system will eventually break. We are hoping Compound plays a role in the solution.<p>Compound is entirely focused on helping you—the employee—understand and manage your equity. We provide forecasting tools that show you how much your equity is worth, display tax implications (AMT exposure, capital gains), and model exit scenarios. We help you understand the value of your equity to make more informed exercise decisions. For the HN community, we are offering free informational consultations at (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;withcompound.com&#x2F;?ref=hn" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;withcompound.com&#x2F;?ref=hn</a>)<p>We also encourage companies to adopt more employee-friendly equity procedures and policies. We build tools, like fair offer-letter templates and internal equity dashboards, to promote transparency within companies. If your team is interested, please send me an email to jordan@withcompound.com.<p>In the future, Compound will earn revenue by offering financial products. We are still hammering out these details—our mission is to help employees maximize their upsides by democratizing access to financial services currently reserved for the super-rich (tax planning, advisory, bespoke investment offerings, concierge services, etc.).<p>We will be releasing more guides around this topic in the near future and would really appreciate your feedback and requests. Eager to hear about HN users’ experiences, ideas, and know there is a ton of expertise among the community to learn from. Happy to answer any questions in the comments or via email jordan@withcompound.com. Thanks!

17 comments

simonebrunozzialmost 6 years ago
Some (IMHO) very relevant past conversations on HN about equity:<p>1) Introducing Progressive Equity – Increase employee ownership as company grows: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9336392" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=9336392</a><p>2) What I Wish I&#x27;d Known About Equity Before Joining a Unicorn: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13426494" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13426494</a><p>3) Open Guide to Equity Compensation : <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10880726" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10880726</a><p>4) Employee Equity (Sam Altman) : <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7610527" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7610527</a><p>5) Guide to Your Equity: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10362141" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10362141</a><p>6) Holloway Guide to Equity Compensation: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=17717727" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=17717727</a>
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kevinfloalmost 6 years ago
I&#x27;m shocked by the comments of those here that don&#x27;t see why something like this must exist and don&#x27;t see that there is tremendous financial upside for whoever cracks this. Employee equity can generate unbelievable amounts of wealth as well as unbelievable tax consequences&#x2F;missed opportunities. The deck is mostly stacked against employees, and you&#x27;re on your own navigating treacherous waters with little information. A strong company in this space can protect employees and ultimately advocate for them and improve the landscape. Or it can augment the deck being stacked in favor of the investors etc. depending on how things shake out for the winners in this space.
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refrigeratoralmost 6 years ago
Seeing lots criticism in the comments, similar to the kind that Uber faced when they were a private black cab app — &quot;Yet another startup to serve rich startup folk&quot; etc.<p>I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s entirely warranted here.<p>&quot;Equity compensation&quot; as a whole definitely seems like a large market (there are many many many billions of $$$ tied up in employee equity), and becoming the go-to experts on everything to do with equity compensation seems like a solid foundation for building financial services + products on top. I&#x27;m sure this can eventually extend outside of the SV ecosystem, and probably extend outside of &quot;equity compensation&quot; too.<p>Congrats on the launch, guys! Look forward to seeing where this goes :)
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geoffreyyalmost 6 years ago
Congrats on making it to YC 19!<p>Love the idea, in fact I started something similar[1] in March 2018 when I was switching job. I also heard too many stories of friends accepting early stage companies offers with little to no equity and I was hurting for them.<p>I hope we (employees) will finally get our leverage back and fight for better equity but ALSO better liquidity!<p>If founders get liquidity, employees should too, it&#x27;s only fair.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reffo.us&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reffo.us&#x2F;</a>
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jedbergalmost 6 years ago
I wish you all the best, but I worry that this is a case of a startup for startups, except one level removed, because its a startup for startup <i>employees</i>, who are usually the first to go when the startup market turns.<p>I say this basically as a warning to be cognizant of this fact and make sure to diversify away from SV startup employees as quickly as possible.
ryanmerceralmost 6 years ago
Do you have plans (even if only a few words of an idea) to do anything beyond this?<p>I imagine this market is pretty small, sure YC funds a bunch of startups every year but it seems like your business is almost entirely dependent on the Bay Area and maybe a handful of other locations around the globe that consistently produce startups that have to rely on compensating employees with equity instead of competitive salary. When the next recession inevitably comes, and VC money potentially dries up, it seems like your company won&#x27;t fare well without other services to fall back on.<p>The vast majority of Americans, or people on earth in general, aren&#x27;t offered equity as compensation (many aren&#x27;t even offered stock purchase plans and for that matter Pew found that 41 percent of millennials didn’t even have access to an employer-sponsored retirement plan).<p>Not trying to be critical, just genuinely curious if you&#x27;ve thought about it.
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neilvalmost 6 years ago
If you&#x27;re affecting startup employees&#x27; (and prospectives&#x27;) perceptions of compensation, how do you deal with the appearance of potential conflict of interest, as a YC startup (which presumably has an interest in hiring and compensation by its startups)?<p>Also, do you have some kind of official fiduciary obligation, as part of giving financial advice? And if so, to whom?<p>How will giving financial advice mesh with offering financial products?<p>(I mean these questions constructively, and I figure you have good intentions. These are merely the kinds of questions that come to my finance layperson&#x27;s mind.)
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kalbfledalmost 6 years ago
This pitch reminds me of those commercials for weed whackers where people are shown acting like replacing the string is on the level of rocket science.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=p22T3ZypQtA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=p22T3ZypQtA</a><p>After I left my last job, I had 3 months to decide if I wanted to exercise my options. I looked at the company&#x27;s financial statements, compared them to publicly traded competitors, and made my decision. If I needed tax information, I would have gone to the IRS website and called them if necessary. (In my experience, they try to be helpful despite the hate they receive.)<p>I wish you guys the best of luck, but ultimately your revenue model seems predicated on the same strategy as the rest of the financial industry--presenting a good marketing story to attract other people&#x27;s money. Nobody has a crystal ball.
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hobofanalmost 6 years ago
&gt; We provide forecasting tools that show you how much your equity is worth, display tax implications (AMT exposure, capital gains), and model exit scenarios.<p>That sounds like you would be cannibalizing your user base if you do a good job. Every time I (or friends of mine) started modelling exit scenarios in the past, it became very apparent that none of the realistic exit scenarios would yield any significant payout. Often times this was one of the contributing factors to leaving the company, and sometimes leaving the startup field entirely.
IceDanealmost 6 years ago
I&#x27;m pretty baffled someone thinks this is a sustainable business model, but good luck regardless.
calcsamalmost 6 years ago
Thanks for building this! I spent a year building this as a side project and never got anywhere in terms of adoption, so abandoned it. The world really needs this and excited that you&#x27;re picking up the torch.<p>Your vesting calculator is buggy, it vests 50% at the one-year cliff instead of 25%.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;withcompound.com&#x2F;g&#x2F;understanding-equity-compensation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;withcompound.com&#x2F;g&#x2F;understanding-equity-compensation</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;ud87ehk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;ud87ehk</a>
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arcaninsaniumalmost 6 years ago
What incentive do you have to keep the information I provide you for a consultation confidential? If I actually give you the information you&#x27;re asking for (strike price, shares outstanding, shares granted, company name, etc), you basically know far more about the cap table than anybody outside of the company should know. Additionally, most companies have NDAs that probably prevent the disclosure of this information.<p>If you&#x27;re not an RIA, how can I trust you with this information?
bit_4lalmost 6 years ago
This, if made right, is indeed helpful. I have some friends working at early stage startups without understanding esop, even some can’t distinguish options and shares.
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mileswardalmost 6 years ago
I find the signup form hard to use on chrome&#x2F;pixel 3; the &quot;fill in the blank, tell us about you&quot; area was not selectable for me.
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benjiweberalmost 6 years ago
FYI looks like a typo s&#x2F;equtiy&#x2F;equity&#x2F; on <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;withcompound.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;offer-letter" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;withcompound.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;offer-letter</a>
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SirLJalmost 6 years ago
Peak VC?
bluedinoalmost 6 years ago
Wow.