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Cryptic, allusive messages from Hong Kong's wealthiest tycoon

395 pointsby fraqedalmost 6 years ago

19 comments

JulianMorrisonalmost 6 years ago
Conclusion: Chinese is absolutely the best language-family to make cryptic, gnomic, multi-layered allusions and sound like you've lived 100,000 years up a mountain eating nothing but fresh mountain air and magical peaches.
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nameloswalmost 6 years ago
If you speak Chinese, you&#x27;ll find it&#x27;s very easy to squeeze sentences in exact same characters. Almost all poems in China (except very modern ones) do this.<p>It&#x27;s so easy that people in forums do this a along - being sarcastic or just funny. You could have positive meaning literally, but hide dirty words in structures.<p>Also because it&#x27;s so easy that this was defined as serious crime in many dynasties. There were even people committed it by coincidence were sentenced to death.
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tonyalmost 6 years ago
If you like Chinese poetry &#x2F; ancient writing, I&#x27;d like to mention wengu:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wengu.tartarie.com&#x2F;wg&#x2F;wengu.php?l=intro" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wengu.tartarie.com&#x2F;wg&#x2F;wengu.php?l=intro</a><p>Text is laid out in the same fashion as OP. Wengu lets you mouseover characters for translation and along with an interpretation:<p>- Book of Odes: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wengu.tartarie.com&#x2F;wg&#x2F;wengu.php?l=Shijing&amp;no=1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wengu.tartarie.com&#x2F;wg&#x2F;wengu.php?l=Shijing&amp;no=1</a><p>- Art of War: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wengu.tartarie.com&#x2F;wg&#x2F;wengu.php?l=Sunzi&amp;s=1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wengu.tartarie.com&#x2F;wg&#x2F;wengu.php?l=Sunzi&amp;s=1</a><p>- Book of Changes: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wengu.tartarie.com&#x2F;wg&#x2F;wengu.php?l=Yijing&amp;no=0" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wengu.tartarie.com&#x2F;wg&#x2F;wengu.php?l=Yijing&amp;no=0</a><p>- Tao Te Ching: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wengu.tartarie.com&#x2F;wg&#x2F;wengu.php?l=Daodejing&amp;no=0" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wengu.tartarie.com&#x2F;wg&#x2F;wengu.php?l=Daodejing&amp;no=0</a><p>- Analects of Confucius: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wengu.tartarie.com&#x2F;wg&#x2F;wengu.php?l=Lunyu&amp;no=1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wengu.tartarie.com&#x2F;wg&#x2F;wengu.php?l=Lunyu&amp;no=1</a>
jimwormalmost 6 years ago
Li Ka-shing is well aware. His job ad for a Chinese PA was featured in the news for its salary (HK$1Mpa) and very high requirements (expert level in modern and classical Chinese and Chinese history, 20+ years experience).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ltn.com.tw&#x2F;news&#x2F;world&#x2F;breakingnews&#x2F;1567579" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ltn.com.tw&#x2F;news&#x2F;world&#x2F;breakingnews&#x2F;1567579</a>
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est31almost 6 years ago
Loads very slowly for me. archive.org mirror: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20190822110138&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu&#x2F;nll&#x2F;?p=44024" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20190822110138&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;languagel...</a>
thecopyalmost 6 years ago
The impasse Hong Kong finds itself must be solved by the Chief Executive. Her leadership in this matter is severely lacking and one wonders if the has any autonomous power at all, or if its all controlled by Beijing. Especially seeing how she evaded that question quite gracelessly a few days ago when asked by a reporter.
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appleflaxenalmost 6 years ago
That appears to be an incredibly classy thing to do, at no small risk to himself.<p>The billionaires have the most to lose with any social unrest, and he exposed himself to support the masses.<p>If so: Respect<p>Counter-possibility: it&#x27;s a CYA maneuver, which supports both sides simlutaneously and either message can be declared as &quot;intended&quot; post-hoc.
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smclalmost 6 years ago
Can someone who knows HK weigh in on how likely this is to be subtle deliberate messaging, or whether it’s like Qanon (where “Q” just says vague things, and the followers go <i>wild</i> with all sorts of interpretations that confirm what they already think).
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SoylentOrangealmost 6 years ago
To the Chinese native speakers here on HN: how clear would the message have been to you, if you didn’t read the explanation on this website?
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andromeduckalmost 6 years ago
The analysis is actually incomplete. Notice how the last line has a little gap? If we combine the last words of the last two lines we actually get:<p>因果由國,容港治己,義憤民誠<p>The last part reads anger is righteous.
mytailorisrichalmost 6 years ago
In 2011 he already made comments in support of universal suffrage in Hongkong.<p>Despite what is said in the media I don&#x27;t think that this is &#x27;brave&#x27; to state this opinion. The key is how to say it and how to behave with respect to China and the government.
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JshWrightalmost 6 years ago
&gt; The poem is by the dauphin (crown prince), Li Xian (655-684) under Wu Zetian (624-705), the only female emperor in Chinese history.<p>I&#x27;ve only ever heard the word &quot;dauphin&quot; in the context of a French crown prince (starting with Charles V, when Philip VI gave him the Dauphiné region to rule while he was still the heir). Is the term used more universally?
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b_tterc_palmost 6 years ago
&gt; “everyone knows what 4 &#x2F; 6 &#x2F;89 signifies”<p>This annoyed me quite a bit. No I don’t. Most people probably don’t.<p>It’s the date of Tiananmen Square.
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trepannealmost 6 years ago
I dunno, my classical Chinese ain&#x27;t all that, but I think these guys are straining with the hidden message. It is funny though.<p>I myself am reading quite a bit of meaning into the conspicuous avoidance of the characters &quot;tian&quot;, &quot;an&quot;, and &quot;men&quot; throughout both ads.<p>The melon ad is fairly defiant, though, in a classy kind of way. If I were a betting man, I&#x27;d take the other side. Preserving absolute rule of law in Hong Kong is as doomed as the Taiwan independence movement. The Chinese anschluss seems unstoppable.
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dr_dshivalmost 6 years ago
I hope this all turns out well..
tontoniusalmost 6 years ago
This sentence has only one interpretations.
vinaymsalmost 6 years ago
Chinese is the spoken Lisp.
csyszfalmost 6 years ago
&quot;From born to die, you will always buy Li Ka-Shing&#x27;s goods&quot; &quot;If there&#x27;s God in HongKong, his last name must be Li&quot;<p>He and other oligarchs raise prices and exploit profits from people. HK Gov tried several times to press down house prices (build public rental apartments provided by gov, called 新界东北发展计划 ), all failed. What&#x27;s the funniest part is, HK GOV plan to dismantle the golf courses for building public apartments, and was stopped by the name of environmental protection, House prices keep high, and riches keep their golf courses.<p>Who will get the most benefit from those riots? Oligarchs, no competitors can enter Hong Kong again. Li himself is the devil&#x27;s advocate, those oligarchs make young men can only live in cells, but nobody never is able to fight him like they fight CCP now. In this a City with the 0.539 Gini coefficient, why people hate the government on the other side than rich oligarchs? capital owns media.<p>That, is the true power and true authority, make people fight for you while you consume them.<p>All those things happened in Hongkong make me feel desperate about this evil world.<p>I really hate this, no right, no wrong, no justice, no savior, everyone is just puppet of God.
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improvehkalmost 6 years ago
Somewhat relevant, this tattoo says &quot;香港&quot; (Hong Kong) or &quot;加油&quot; (Add Oil) when rotated:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;natashakhanhk&#x2F;status&#x2F;1164060311743156224" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;natashakhanhk&#x2F;status&#x2F;1164060311743156224</a>