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Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

275 pointsby drikerfover 5 years ago

40 comments

rrggrrover 5 years ago
As someone who evaluates CRMs pretty much for a living I'm sad to report there's nothing new here. Great UI - Kudos. But, this is way more expensive than Pipedrive whose UI is arguably as user friendly. I think you've got potential here... but you're priced same as close.io with far fewer features and a similar UI.
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eden_hover 5 years ago
It&#x27;s pretty! The Basecamp styling is really clear, and it&#x27;s nice to see the interface on display<p>There&#x27;s a few unanswered questions that I hope it&#x27;s helpful to point out;<p>* Importers -&gt; If I want to switch, how long will it take me to move from a potential system (Excel, Google Sheets, Salesforce, etc) into Wobaka?<p>* Integrations -&gt; If I send an email can that come from my Outlook Gmail and be shown? Can I see emails from my colleagues towards a contact if they want to?<p>* What does a workflow look like? A gif of going from New Contact -&gt; Adding them into an Org I&#x27;m talking to -&gt; Sending the first message would do a lot here.<p>* How do I engage with my colleagues? Can I tag them in tasks, or pass things along to them?
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jveover 5 years ago
&gt; We believe in a different type of CRM<p>Marketing page doesn&#x27;t convince me that it&#x27;s a different CRM. Lists usual stuff. Actually quite lacking if the business cannot apply their customizations&#x2F;business rules&#x2F;validations&#x2F;workflows.
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chasd00over 5 years ago
I really like the site. How did you come up with 7 days as a trial period? Seems like it may take longer than a week for someone to really see the value. I could be totally wrong though.
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puranjayover 5 years ago
The copy says &quot;tired of bad, boring software&quot;<p>Bad, yes. But boring? I really don&#x27;t look for fun and excitement from work software.<p>Excel wouldn&#x27;t become any more useful if it was painted pink and had wacky icons
njsubediover 5 years ago
I went through your tweets and visualized how Wobaka slowly grew into production. I also have a similar side-project (customer support system, tbh), and you launching your product helped me gain confidence that I can do too! Unfortunately, I cannot sign up for a demo because no cc info (3rd world problems). Anyway, congratulations! It looks simple and beautiful.
tryitnowover 5 years ago
I would still go with a major CRM. It&#x27;s not so much about having a great product as it is about having software that a lot of people already know how to use. Even if people don&#x27;t like the major players at least they&#x27;re familiar with them, so recruiting and training is a lot easier even if the product is not a good as it should be.
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jkaufmann_over 5 years ago
I found it a little hard to understand the differentiators. I think in a space like this, where there are already a host of established players, you should have the differentiating feature up front and easily consumable. I&#x27;d love to hear more about what other CRMs were missing (in a particular use case) and then hear what you did to fix it.
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nickjjover 5 years ago
Looks really nice but I wonder if you went too far with Basecamp&#x27;s look.<p>The brand colors look so similar that you could get the impression that it&#x27;s a Basecamp product. It almost looks like you took their background color and changed it by the smallest amount possible just so it wasn&#x27;t an exact match if you compared the hex colors.
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jayyehover 5 years ago
The title of the Show HN grabbed me and the design on your homepage had me leaning in.<p>I think it&#x27;s hard to differentiate on design fully as a basic CRM. One idea you could look into as both a feature set and a focus of your marketing is leaning into the idea that you&#x27;re the ideal first CRM and you make migrating to Salesforce dead simple.<p>You can snag ppl like our company who have been told you&#x27;ll eventually need to be on Salesforce but aren&#x27;t ready for all of that overhead. Then once you&#x27;ve got a community of users, you have a chance at adding more and more functionality that will get people to stay with you instead of migrating.<p>I&#x27;ve always thought there was a market opportunity around that.<p>Good luck
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JaggerFooover 5 years ago
No API information.<p>This is what I look for first when evaluating CRM software, which gives me an idea of the underlying schema and how to extend or integrate the software.<p>Most smaller CRM&#x27;s do not support multiple price books, for example, that can be critical to businesses that have price differences between sales channels and regions.<p>A typical use case, customer story, for your solution would be helpful.<p>Cheers
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luka-birsaover 5 years ago
Went to check the landing page, looks nice.<p>Does not answer why I would choose this over all the other 1000000 of CRM offerings (just in our office we tried Zoho, Close.io, Salesforce, Pipedrive,....).<p>Plus, not fully sold on the &quot;Built to last - Wobaka is like your favorite craft beer or artisan coffee. Made with love and hand-picked ingredients. No mega-corp here.&quot; pitch.<p>Great effort tho.
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chrisperkinsover 5 years ago
Congratulations on your product launch! I am not your potential customer but as a fellow software developer I would like to know the technology&#x2F;programming languages driving your product if you don&#x27;t mind.
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knadhover 5 years ago
Looks nice. For anyone looking to self-host or develop their own CRMs, I can&#x27;t recommend <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;erpnext.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;erpnext.com</a> enough. It&#x27;s written in Python and is FOSS.
homeroover 5 years ago
Misspelled <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wobaka.com&#x2F;img&#x2F;feature-tasks.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wobaka.com&#x2F;img&#x2F;feature-tasks.png</a>
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watbywbarifover 5 years ago
Same price for 5 ppl as for 500? WTF?
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westoqueover 5 years ago
IANAL but I don&#x27;t see a &quot;Legal&quot; or &quot;Privacy Policy&quot; in the app itself. Maybe someone in the know can say if it&#x27;s required or not. I do skim through these document if they exist and I can&#x27;t find it here. At it&#x27;s current state, it screams like an open source project since it says &quot;Made with coffee by @drikerf&quot;
hackathonguyover 5 years ago
Out of curiosity - can you share if you received any new paying users through this Show HN, and if so, how many? I realize there&#x27;s a 7 day trial so even number of trial signups would be interesting. Trying to gauge the HN effect for a product like this.
aschismaticover 5 years ago
I clicked because you said that you made something I&#x27;ll &quot;enjoy using.&quot; It made me interested to see what a CRM is. I can tell by visiting your site what purpose it generally serves, but nowhere did I find mention of what CRM stands for. Maybe you don&#x27;t need to spell it out for your target market, but I think it would still be nice to establish the acronym for unfamiliar guests. To be fair, maybe I&#x27;m in the minority, as a quick web search provides me plenty of results clearly stating that it&#x27;s &quot;customer relationship management.&quot;<p>In any case, good luck with your business!
chpmrcover 5 years ago
Great design! Is this some known scheme&#x2F;template or is it all custom? Because it resembles Notion&#x27;s design a bit. Did you start from a reusable framework (e.g. bootstrap)?
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holografixover 5 years ago
Is the name a play on Wookiee Chewbacca? Asking for a friend.
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sswanerover 5 years ago
Congrats on building this. It looks great. Two bits of feedback: I didn’t see any mention of an API. Comments indicate an uploader function, but to get into anything close to enterprise you will need an API yo manage the data. The API will need to be able to get data in and out. After that, larger customers will expect customizations. Big companies always want to customize the software.
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Bouncingsoul1over 5 years ago
In your sample, Bruce Wayne should be in company Wayne Enterprise, nobody knowshe is also in the justice league
jstschover 5 years ago
Looks nice! What about self hosting? I’d copy the Gitlab model. Open source community edition, and a quite pricy Enterprise edition that is full of features that only larger companies need (compliance stuff, audit trails, fine grained permissions, etc).
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j2baxover 5 years ago
Trying to sign up in Firefox and when I click the Start 7 Day Free Trial button, nothing is happening. I get a brief spinner on the submit button, and nothing. Assuming maybe some validation is failing but its not telling me anything.
jaequeryover 5 years ago
For me, the biggest pain points I face with CRMs are in integrations and customizations. Even Zendesk Sell+Support was awful when integrating to our ecom app. Does this CRM offer anything better in this area?
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davedxover 5 years ago
Looks great, well done for launching it (and getting onto front page of HN!).<p>What I really like is when there&#x27;s a video showing what it&#x27;s like to use the product.<p>I launched my leave tracking app (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;leavetracker.app" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;leavetracker.app</a>) a couple of months ago and once I&#x27;m finally happy with the design I&#x27;ll be making a video for it, I think it can really help with conversions.<p>I&#x27;m always impressed when one person alone builds a product and actually ships it. It&#x27;s a very different journey to working in a team on a startup. Best of luck!
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wzyover 5 years ago
Can you tell us about the backend stack of this venture?
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bochohover 5 years ago
On your sign up page, this one sentence isn&#x27;t quite clear to me. - &quot;That&#x27;s a total, no matter how many people your are.&quot;
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taphangumover 5 years ago
Is there a guide or a book you&#x27;d recommend on designing software like this (in terms of the UI)? You&#x27;ve done very well.
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rgloverover 5 years ago
Hey Fredrik, this is great :) Really dig your styling. Have been looking for a less-clunky CRM. Just signed up for a trial.
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jaequeryover 5 years ago
Kudos for the launch! Is there a way to demo the product? Or see it in live w&#x2F;o having to pull out the CC?
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userbinatorover 5 years ago
Why the name? To those who know a little bit of Japanese, the name is rather amusing.
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trumbitta2over 5 years ago
Nice UI, very much in the style of Basecamp &#x2F; 37Signals.
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algodailyover 5 years ago
The look and feel reminds me a lot of basecamp!
ryanmccullaghover 5 years ago
May I ask how you did the product screenshots?
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ge96over 5 years ago
Any chance the domain is Japanese? haha
awillenover 5 years ago
This looks nice, but when you say &quot;you&#x27;ll enjoy using&quot; it sounds like the &quot;you&quot; is a salesperson. As an enterprise software PM who works with a lot of CRMs from a partnership&#x2F;integration perspective, I can tell you that whether or not salespeople like it doesn&#x27;t matter.<p>CRMs are tools for sales managers (and folks further up in the hierarchy) to know what&#x27;s going on in their org. An incidental benefit is that reps have useful views of what&#x27;s going on with their prospects, but ease of use for them is just not a concern of the buyer (hence the wild success of Salesforce, which just sucks to use).<p>In some categories of enterprise software, ease of use is a benefit. I was at Box in the early days when one of the big value props is that people would actually use it, because at the time they were using unsanctioned tools like Dropbox. The issue there was that managers didn&#x27;t have an easy well of telling when people were using those tools, so the idea that good UX would entice users to stick with company-approved software was a good selling point.<p>With CRMs, that&#x27;s not the case. As a rep, you&#x27;re judged on your performance, and the way people see your performance is via the information you put in your CRM. If you&#x27;re tracking a bunch of leads outside of your CRM, your manager will know (because you have to keep them in the loop on your deals). Thus, there&#x27;s no reason for sales management to be concerned about ease of use - their CRM is going to get used because the alternative is that the reps are going to get fired.<p>My impression based on your marketing pages and this post is that you didn&#x27;t really take the time to understand the CRM market and buyers before you built this. Your $49&#x2F;month for a whole team pricing structure makes no sense - companies are absolutely willing to pay more (and are very willing to pay per user). Having a price point that low is more likely to scare off serious buyers than entice them. The fact that all of your messaging is directed at a rep is a huge problem. You need to focus on things that matter to your buyers (reporting, lead routing, pipeline management, etc.). &quot;Wobaka is the CRM system that will make you smile&quot; is a bad tagline - the folks buying this don&#x27;t care if the people using it smile. They care about money. If your product doesn&#x27;t make money (by improving time to close and&#x2F;or likelihood of close), then they&#x27;re not buying it whether people smile or not.<p>The good news is you&#x27;ve solicited this feedback early, and the fact that you have a well-designed UI definitely isn&#x27;t a bad thing. If I were you, though, I would stop development and spend most of your time getting this in front of people in sales management to see what their feedback is. Find out what problems they have with their existing CRMs and try to solve those.
iliaznkover 5 years ago
Seems inspired by Notion.
skrebbelover 5 years ago
A while ago I used Hubspot CRM for a bit. I think it&#x27;s slow and quirky, and to me it&#x27;s a big red flag how hard they make it to get the data out (or, well, 2 years ago at least).<p>But Hubspot gets one thing right that I never understood other CRMs can&#x27;t do. If Hubspot sees an email from name@company.com, they automatically make a new contact for that name, and a new organization for that company (derived from the @company.com), enrich it all with available data (employee size etc), which I guess they get from some Clearbit-like data. This is super useful, because it means all relevant organization about a new lead who just reached out is just there. The only manual logging I ever have to do is eg log calls or write internal notes. No bookkeeping whatsoever.<p>Similarly, if I want to log someone I met at, say, a conference, I just enter their email address from their business card (or whatever) and -poof- the contact and organization are there. Maybe I&#x27;ll add the phone number if they&#x27;re oldschool like that, but that&#x27;s it. All the otherfields are immediately in &quot;good enough&quot; mode.<p>A while later I tried Close.io, who advertise <i>loudly</i> in the blogosphere about how much other CRMs make you click and type, and I had to make every contact and organization by hand! How is that automation? I simply don&#x27;t understand how any CRM in 2019 can ship with so much manual data entry. What am I missing? Is my use case such an edge case?<p>If you&#x27;d add stuff like this, then maybe I&#x27;d be interested in switching over. But having to manually maintain every single piece of data, when much information is publicly available from various sources, is just not worth my time.<p>And if you <i>have</i> this feature, I&#x27;d highlight it proudly on the website :D<p>To other HN&#x27;ers, if you have suggestions for CRMs that get this right, I&#x27;m interested.
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