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L-Theanine: a 4,000 Year Old Mind-Hack

157 pointsby tony584over 14 years ago

20 comments

mbmover 14 years ago
This is interesting, but I'm always suspicious of articles that seem to hand-pick their science. This isn't a critique of tea being good for you (I'm sipping on a chai right now and feeling dandy) but a little healthy skepticism from seeing years of nutrition/health effects studies contradict each other. For more detailed thoughts on the problem see John Ioannidis' "Why Most Published Research Findings are False."
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lynx44over 14 years ago
I have written 200+ articles in health and medicine and looked into L-Theanine specifically.<p>It has benefits and does work to enhance the benefits of caffeine. That said, this article over-hypes it, and it's really not that big of an impact.
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acconradover 14 years ago
Pretty much any amino acid will help brain function, but with any study, they always give absurdly high amounts to their test subjects in comparison to what the average human consumes. Plus, these are scientific research papers. Even a 1% improvement is enough for them to be quoted as saying "improves brain function."<p>Drinking tea is good for you, we've known this for years. Keep drinking it.
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alexophileover 14 years ago
Tony - I never thought I'd say this on HN, but you should totally open up a brick and mortar store. There's so few places in Chicago to go and get good loose leaf tea, shipping seems silly (I live &#60;1 mile away), and a great tea shop is such a cool thing to have around. There's all sorts of empty storefronts (one under my place, even) just begging for something interesting.<p>I guess "you should" is the wrong language. Perhaps supplant with "it would be incredibly inconvenient but way cool if you were to"
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eibrahimover 14 years ago
Thanks for screwing up my tea. Can't I just drink it to enjoy it? Now, I have high expectations from my tea which I am sure will not be met. Thanks a lot.<p>PS: I drink probably 3 cups a day. I am still not a genius and I get sleepy by mid-day.
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sreanover 14 years ago
Theanine is supposed to increase GABA levels in the brain by passing through the blood brain barrier.<p>From <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theanine" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theanine</a><p><pre><code> Rather, its primary effect seems to increase the overall level of the brain inhibitory transmitter GABA. </code></pre> But doesnt GABA make one relaxed and sleepier and hinder formation of new memories ?<p>From <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Aminobutyric_acid#Pharmacology" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Aminobutyric_acid#Pharmac...</a><p><pre><code> Drugs that act as agonists of GABA receptors or increase the available amount of GABA typically have relaxing, anti-anxiety and anti-convulsive effects.,. Many of the substances below are known to cause anterograde amnesia and retrograde amnesia. Followed by a list of substances that increase GABA levels </code></pre> I am not knowledgible about these things but I recollect reading that in vertebrates the primary function of GABA is to inhibit synaptic activity. It is probably good for someone who is high-strung or epileptic. But for a normal person is it good to boost GABA levels in the brain ?<p>Caffeine, I guess, will counter some of these effects, but still it makes me worried to play with brain chemistry. Particularly with supplements.<p>Edit: To one who downvoted, could you tell me what you found objectionable ?
mancheover 14 years ago
Caffeine can decrease anxiety? That's highly contradictory to a bulk of medical wisdom out there. People can experience spikes in their heart rate due to stimulants like caffeine.<p>Also, tea is more of a cultural phenomenon in that region of the world. It's not thought of as a tool for meditation. In fact, in yogic traditions, you're supposed to stay away from caffeine.
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apinsteinover 14 years ago
I can't speak for the science, but anecdotally this has been very true for me.<p>I used to never drink coffee or tea; when I really needed to "wake up" I'd have an espresso and I'd be good for 10-12 hours.<p>Then I had a kid and found myself needing it daily. After a few months of daily coffee I started to realize that I was exhausted until I drank some coffee; then I wasn't so tired but still couldn't concentrate very well.<p>Having read a similar article a few weeks ago I switched to tea instead of coffee and I must say I've felt much more productive on tea as well as slightly less exhausted before I drink it.<p>Would love to hear of others' anecdotal evidence.
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tony584over 14 years ago
hey, OP here... Researchers are still out to lunch as far as tea goes with: weight loss, cancer prevention, anti-aging, and diabetes as many conflicting studies have been made. The affects L-theanine, and the combination of L-theanine with Caffeine have been studied and there has been little variance in their conclusions. Myself, along with a few other tea industry-ites have been following these reports. We scoff at all of the weight loss tea spam out there and question each study that comes out. This is only to serve as a culmination of several studies done specifically about the combination of L-theanine and Caffeine. Enjoy! Questions? Find me on twitter: @worldoftea
justinchenover 14 years ago
How about a chart of teas and their L-Theanine concentrations?
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civilianover 14 years ago
This seems relevant: <a href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/snake-oil-supplements/" rel="nofollow">http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/snake-oil-supplem...</a> It says that green tea may be beneficial to people's health- although doesn't specify L-Theanine or the attentiveness. <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11897173?dopt=Abstract" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11897173?dopt=Abstract</a>
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jacques_chesterover 14 years ago
You can buy theanine as a supplement. In combination with my zoloft it gave me some fairly monstrous panic attacks.&#60;/anecdote&#62;
foxhopover 14 years ago
We have created some great comments here, but they are disconnected or disassociated with the original article. When I write a comment I typically write in hacker news and on the original publication page.
foxhopover 14 years ago
My response was too long, so I wrote my thoughts here:<p><a href="http://russell.ballestrini.net/response-to-l-theanine-a-4000-year-old-mind-hack/" rel="nofollow">http://russell.ballestrini.net/response-to-l-theanine-a-4000...</a>
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wonginator1221over 14 years ago
Do any of you buy your tea online? I've heard good things about Adagio, but haven't had a need to buy from them.
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lachygover 14 years ago
This, in the form of green tea extract, makes up a major part of Tim Ferriss' PAGG Stack. Interesting :-)
beefmanover 14 years ago
Tea is definitely a mind-hack. I've taken lots of theanine capsules and... not so much. YMMV.
pavel_lishinover 14 years ago
I wonder which mushroom it is.
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jcfreiover 14 years ago
if this holds true then I need this stuff in my energy drink of choice. no time to prepare tea during work.
alttabover 14 years ago
Upvote this if you made at least 2 cups of tea for the first time today after reading.