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Hong Kong can be a gateway to liberal values for China

60 pointsby baylearnover 5 years ago

13 comments

mytailorisrichover 5 years ago
The &#x27;gateway&#x27; to liberal values in China really is Taiwan that shows that China and Chinese culture are compatible with democracy and these values despite what some claim to justify refusing any such development on the mainland.<p>Taiwan is the home of the Chinese state that ruled over the whole country from 1912 to 1949 and it managed a democratic transition.<p>Hongkong has no &quot;liberal&quot; credentials. It has always (which means 150 years) been a commercial and trade centre only without democratic tradition and the recent protests show that politics very quickly turns into &quot;my way or the highway&quot; on both sides.
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ovi256over 5 years ago
This is wishful thinking, the mainland Moloch will devour and assimilate any traces of liberal values in Hong Kong. It&#x27;s a tiny morsel by Chinese standards, they&#x27;ve assimilated much more.
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analyst74over 5 years ago
I think that was actually part of the original plan, China didn&#x27;t have to agree to the two system thing, but Deng chose to do it. China under Deng&#x27;s leadership was very bold on testing big policy changes, from various special development zones, to limited experiment with democracy in HK.<p>Sadly several key reformists had to resign after Tiananmen massacre, so when Deng stepped down, the more conservative forces took over and have been dominating since.
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AndyMcConachieover 5 years ago
You gotta love how predictable and consistent The Economist is. When it was founded in the 19th century it was a strong advocate for forcing China to open up to British opium. It was important to The Economist then, like it is important to The Economist now, that westerners be allowed access to Chinese people and Chinese markets.<p>One could argue that the United States has been operating a regime change operation in China since 1949. But The Economist, they&#x27;ve literally been arguing the same thing since like 1850.
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JumpCrisscrossover 5 years ago
No, it can’t. This line assumes a rational, strategic-thinking CCP with long time horizons.<p>Pre-Xi, possibly. But Xi is a dictator, a leader for life. He is optimising for short-term political survival. There is zero chance of China liberalising until he either dies or is deposed. With respect to either, Hong Kong will likely be irrelevant.
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powerappleover 5 years ago
I guess this is exactly why a popular opinion in mainland China now is that there is safe net between China and rest of world. Most of them don&#x27;t want to be liberated, at least not to outsiders&#x27; terms.
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wei_jokover 5 years ago
The author of this story was a front line protester involved in the LegCo incident in early July.<p>He is a currently PhD student studying political science abroad.<p>Not sure he will ever be able to return to HK ...<p>An interview with him about the smashing of LegCo building: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scmp.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;hong-kong&#x2F;politics&#x2F;article&#x2F;3017530&#x2F;only-unmasked-protester-hong-kong-legco-takeover-has-fled" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scmp.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;hong-kong&#x2F;politics&#x2F;article&#x2F;3017530...</a>
rsj_hnover 5 years ago
They say that history repeats, first time as tragedy and the second time as farce. I think with HK, the situation is reverse. It was farce in 1996 and tragedy today.<p>Just before the handover, when there was a buzz of discussion around the relationship between Hong Kong and China, one of the common talking points in the West was that legally China may be absorbing HK, but economically HK would absorb China. The party line was that<p>1. China needed more foreign capital inflows, and so HK would be a model of open capital markets. (see this Rockefeller report:<p>&quot;One important component of this trade, and a major engine of Chinese economic growth, has been the freer flow of foreign capital into the Chinese economy. Foreign- funded enterprises — the majority of which are supported by overseas Chinese based in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and other countries in Southeast Asia — account for more than one-third of Chinese exports.&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rbf.org&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;attachments&#x2F;china_confronts_the_challenge_of_globalization.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rbf.org&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;attachments&#x2F;china_co...</a><p>2. China would need to democratize more to overcome problems with CCP rule.<p>3. China&#x27;s economy was reaching diminishing returns in the current system.<p>I recommend reading the summaries of that Rockefeller paper, starting on page 4.<p>HK was so much wealthier and advanced whereas China was considered backwards, and so it was just assumed that China would be copying HK as much as they can.<p>The reality proved..different. China became an industrial powerhouse (something HK never was) much more dependent on capital outflows than inflows. It increased centralization, reversing Deng&#x27;s reforms. It did not suffer any diminished capacity to either act internationally (see Belt and Road) or to increase industrialization. There was no devolution, no reform, no democratization, and no financialization or internationalization of the economic decision making process. Even culturally, HK had a movie industry in the 90s that was completely eclipsed by mainland China. Same for fine arts, classical music, everything. There is no area, either cultural or economic, where HK has a leadership role now.<p>And the position of HK as a crucial financial gateway to China that allowed China to access western capital began to fade, as did the wealth discrepancy between top tier cities in China and HK. At this point, HK&#x27;s economy is underperforming mainland China and most mainland Chinese don&#x27;t view it as having any kind of leadership role, either as demonstrating a system to be emulated and admired or even as demonstrating a possible path forward for China, which is deep into nationalism and xenophobia.<p>So today, given the huge reversal of importance of HK and China, to be bringing out this old line -- it seems crazy.
dragonshover 5 years ago
How Hong Kong can be gateway to liberal values when it itself cannot be liberal enough to reconcile with the fact that everyone in Hong Kong is a Chinese citizen (except few permanent residents) following Chinese nationality law. Unless it cannot be liberal enough to acknowledge it&#x27;s true state how can it serve as an example to others.<p>For people who lived in Hong Kong before 1997 and after it Hong Kong people (except the discriminated groups) discrimated openly people from China and other parts of Asia except Japan. If they happen to seat in MTR, the Hong Kong person will not seat next to them even, deny them jobs due to ethnocity. Indeed in some cases they run full page ads against them openly without repurcussions, which might result in a severe punishment in UK in the form of libel laws, in USA in the firm of racial discrimination.<p>There are no laws against racial discrimination or discrimation based on color in Hong Kong. There is a small toothless organization trying to show as if they care.<p>This is laughable by the economist to even think Hong Kong can ever be an example of liberal values to Chinese in China who did not treat people from other parts of Asia with open contempt like in Hong Kong.<p>Again as it is a minority view I know it will be downvoted, but for people who lived there know the truth.
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steenreemover 5 years ago
I&#x27;d be very interested in understanding mainland Chinese sentiment better. My impression is that there is a lot of love for the current Chinese political system, and I&#x27;d like to understand why that is. Can anyone refer me to writing pieces that focus on this?
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DeonPennyover 5 years ago
Stop trying to make china something they are willing to fight be. Stop financing authoritarians on your way to doing so.
emptyfileover 5 years ago
Pure, unadulterated propaganda on HN... I despair. Even worse it&#x27;s total nonsense.
m00dyover 5 years ago
&quot;Hong Kong can be a gateway to liberal values for China&quot;. Oh really ? Is China aware of this ? I think we should stop trying to export western values to China. Ladies, Gentlemen and all non-binary people, I have a news for you. These guys are a bit different.
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