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Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

121 pointsby dubmax123over 5 years ago

11 comments

danShumwayover 5 years ago
I&#x27;m seeing a couple of comments on here to the effect of, &quot;what did you expect when you started asking companies to screen&#x2F;moderate content?&quot;<p>This is not a good example of screening being impossible to do, or being too subjective to nail down. Facebook moderated the video on largely neutral terms; not asserting that abortion was right or wrong, just that the claims the video made were scientifically false. It should be the type of fact-check that Republicans can get behind: objective and verifiable.<p>This specific story isn&#x27;t that Facebook can&#x27;t fact-check, it&#x27;s that ultimately Facebook is willing to define neutrality based on what Lawmakers are complaining about at the moment. It is specifically Facebook&#x27;s commitment to &quot;neutrality&quot; in this case that makes it easy for biased groups to manipulate the platform.<p>I&#x27;m pretty sympathetic to the idea that increased calls for global moderation may have unintended side effects, and on average I tend to disagree with people who conflate neutral tools with complicity. But this particular story is definitely evidence in the opposite direction -- that Facebook is not opinionated <i>enough</i>, and that a commitment to avoiding even the appearance of bias can lead companies to make ineffective, gutless moderation decisions.
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hn_throwaway_99over 5 years ago
This video is absurd. The headline on the video &quot;Abortion is never medically necessary&quot;, but then goes on to state that &quot;removal of an ectopic pregnancy&quot; doesn&#x27;t count because it&#x27;s not an abortion. Umm, OK. She&#x27;s really just defined all of the &quot;medically necessary abortions&quot; as not abortions.
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yellow_postitover 5 years ago
Letting people share medical information and pay to promote it seems like a never ending recipe for problems. I’m sure someone at FB has done the math on just blocking all this content.
jimbob45over 5 years ago
Is it just me or does putting FACT CHECK above an article immediately make anyone else <i>not</i> want to click on that article?
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simion314over 5 years ago
I am not from US so can someone explain why the antiabortion thing seem rise in this last year? Is there some elections and some party is trying to gain votes or some social media trend?<p>My question is about the timing(why now?) and not on &quot;who is the good&#x2F;bad guy&quot; here.
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RcouF1uZ4gsCover 5 years ago
Part of the issue with fact checkers is how charitably they are interpreting the words. For example:<p>Weather Reporter: The sun will rise at 6 AM Tomorrow<p>Fact Checker: False. The language talking about sun rise is implying that the sun rotates around the earth, and that has been known to astronomers to be false for centuries.<p>In her video, Lila Rose is saying that abortion as defined as intentionally killing the fetus is not medically necessary.<p>From the captions on the video: &quot;Now, you could perhaps do an early delivery if she&#x27;s experiencing or she has a very severe condition that you need to deliver that baby early, but in that situation you don&#x27;t go in with a needle or forceps to destroy that baby before birth. You give that baby a fighting chance, and that is not an abortion.&quot;<p>She is saying that the baby may die as a consequence of early delivery, but the goal is early delivery, not the destruction of the baby.<p>Fact check says &quot;Certain medical conditions such as placenta previa and HELLP syndrome can make abortion a necessary medical procedure in order to prevent the mother&#x27;s death.&quot;<p>My guess that Lila&#x27;s response would be that that it is the early delivery that is saving the mother&#x27;s life, not the abortion. The mother&#x27;s life would still be saved if the baby survives through appropriate medical care.<p>I don&#x27;t know if Lila is Catholic, but a lot of her reasoning seems to fall under the &quot;Principle of Double Effect.&quot;<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sites.saintmarys.edu&#x2F;~incandel&#x2F;doubleeffect.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sites.saintmarys.edu&#x2F;~incandel&#x2F;doubleeffect.html</a><p>&quot;Classical formulations of the principle of double effect require that four conditions be met if the action in question is to be morally permissible: first, that the action contemplated be in itself either morally good or morally indifferent; second, that the bad result not be directly intended; third, that the good result not be a direct causal result of the bad result; and fourth, that the good result be &quot;proportionate to&quot; the bad result. Supporters of the principle argue that, in situations of &quot;double effect&quot; where all these conditions are met, the action under consideration is morally permissible despite the bad result.&quot;<p>The argument is that doing a delivery with intention to save the mother&#x27;s life is good, even if it has the consequence that the fetus dies, since the death of the fetus was not the intention, and thus would not be called an abortion, since the fetal death was a secondary effect and not the primary intended effect.<p>The issue with the fact check is that the fact-checkers were so eager to label something they disagreed with as false, that they did not appreciate the nuance.
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dvtover 5 years ago
It&#x27;s unfortunate that big tech is essentially acting as a &quot;morality arbiter&quot; in such cases -- perhaps we need not only a separation of church and state, but also of tech and state.
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29_29over 5 years ago
ASK HN: We really need a politics tab at the top of hackernews. Can we make that happen?
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test45over 5 years ago
Too much centralized cnotrol.
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coryrcover 5 years ago
I&#x27;m so glad big tech screens videos for the correct political viewpoint. Nobody could have predicted events like this.
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claarover 5 years ago
The embedded video in the article is logical in its assertions and therefore doesn&#x27;t leave room for argument (obligatory replies to this comment aside).<p>Unfortunately, logical arguments in an emotionally charged topic are usually heard as inflammatory, as many logical married individuals can attest. So this political tug-of-war response should come as no surprise.