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My Talk at Microsoft

264 pointsby thicclyover 5 years ago

21 comments

Zhylover 5 years ago
&gt;Publicly take back Microsoft&#x27;s attacks on copyleft made in the 2000s. Ballmer called the GPL a &quot;cancer&quot;. Allchin called it &quot;un-American&quot;.<p>(from the &quot;Suggestions I gave to Microsoft&quot; section)<p>This is something I agree with. I don&#x27;t think that Microsoft are likely to apologise for EEE [1] as that is likely just considered &#x27;business&#x27; and part of the zeitgeist; neither do I think that Microsoft necessarily needs to endorse or support GPL as they are definitely unlikely to be using it for any products for the foreseeable.<p>They should, however, be a bit more repentant about starting a McCarthy-esque red scare against all things open source. I don&#x27;t think those things were appropriate at the time and they really should at the very least be acknowledged as part of the &quot;Microsoft heart Linux&quot; initiative.<p>Part of me, though, thinks that Microsoft&#x27;s recent adventures in Linux have been more &#x27;Black Friday&#x27; than &#x27;Good Friday&#x27;.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Embrace%2C_extend%2C_and_extinguish" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Embrace%2C_extend%2C_and_extin...</a>
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Ivover 5 years ago
&gt; Implement an anonymous internet sales platform that doesn&#x27;t require Javascript, using GNU Taler (taler.net).<p>That seems like a potentially super important project yet it does not have a wikipedia page. That&#x27;s abnormal! It was even discussed here in 2017!<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15274110" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15274110</a>
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niruiover 5 years ago
I somehow want to quote this too:<p>&gt; Direct GitHub to promote correct and clear use of licenses and the best use of copyleft (GPL version 3-or-later).<p>I remember when I was very green, that list of licenses on the GitHub repository creation page is very very confusing to me. I don&#x27;t know which is which and which one I should use, and most importantly, what&#x27;s the effect of my choice.<p>It could be great if GitHub can improve that list a bit to help people to make wiser choice before a repository is created.
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yummybearover 5 years ago
&gt; Help make the web usable with Javascript deactivated.<p>I don&#x27;t quite understand why that is a goal in itself. If it&#x27;s due to accessibility why not ask to &quot;Help make the web more usable for people with disabilities&quot;? Maybe I&#x27;m missing something here.
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decoyworkerover 5 years ago
I&#x27;m usually the first to shit on Stallman but I really liked his suggestions here.<p>But hypothetically if Microsoft fully implements all of what RMS suggested would Windows be listed as an approved distro on gnu.org?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gnu.org&#x2F;distros&#x2F;free-non-gnu-distros.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gnu.org&#x2F;distros&#x2F;free-non-gnu-distros.html</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gnu.org&#x2F;distros&#x2F;free-system-distribution-guidelines.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gnu.org&#x2F;distros&#x2F;free-system-distribution-guideli...</a>
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Operylover 5 years ago
&gt; Direct GitHub to promote correct and clear use of licenses and the best use of copyleft (GPL version 3-or-later).<p>Ehhhh... I very much like that my source code repository host isn&#x27;t consistently nudging me to a specific license, thanks :).
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xiaodaiover 5 years ago
Free software is difficult. I have a family and young kids to feed. I can&#x27;t work for FREE. I have open-source packages that are &quot;free&quot;, but that&#x27;s my hobby or a living. If you get a professorship at a university then you can flog free software, but it doesn&#x27;t work for the other 99.99999% of the population. Sigh. I wish open-soure software is funded like universities. European Union funds some software, but more should be done. The economy of free software is a classific economics problems; too many free loaders. We can&#x27;t continue to rely on volunteers. The public needs to fund open-source software, just like how to we fund universities!
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Crinusover 5 years ago
&gt; And one other suggestion, which I made to a vice president but perhaps not in my talk.<p>&gt;<p>&gt; Release the source code of Windows under the GNU GPL.<p>&gt;<p>&gt; I know that is a stretch, but from what I heard there. it isn&#x27;t totally impossible.<p>I do not remember who or where exactly it was, but i remember someone influential from Microsoft that was asked about open sourcing Windows (not necessarily under GPL) and they also said that it isn&#x27;t totally impossible.
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robteixover 5 years ago
&gt; There are those who think that Microsoft invited me to speak in the hope of seducing me away from the free software cause.<p>&gt; Others assert that inviting me was opposition research and nothing more.<p>Honestly, why would Microsoft in 2019 even need to either convince RMS to give up free software or to research him at all?
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jcccover 5 years ago
&gt; I resisted Steve Jobs&#x27;s snow job in 1989 or 1990<p>Could someone illuminate what this was about?
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fortran77over 5 years ago
&gt; I am no easy mark for those who want me to change my views.<p>This is an absolute lie. I know for a fact he has cancelled talks he&#x27;s agreed to after being contacted by various factions of activists.
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shmerlover 5 years ago
<i>&gt; Help fight against copyright on interfaces.</i><p>MS infamously supported Oracle in pushing copyrightability of interfaces. Did they ever announce the reversal of their position?<p>To his points, I&#x27;d add:<p>* Stop pushing lock-in, and support open interoperable standards.<p>This has improved in some cases with MS, but in some it remains as bad before (ActiveSync, DirectX and etc.)
jedieastonover 5 years ago
Interestingly, this is not the first time that I&#x27;ve heard Microsoft talk about open-sourcing Windows [0]. The licensing behind many of the components may make it a distant pipe dream, but since they make most of their money through their applications (i.e. MSSQL runs on Linux now, the software teams all work under Azure now), I could see it happening sometime.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;04&#x2F;microsoft-open-source-windows-definitely-possible&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;04&#x2F;microsoft-open-source-windows-...</a>
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souterrainover 5 years ago
&gt; Help make the web usable with Javascript deactivated.<p>I agree with RMS here, in that user privacy is aligned closely with user freedom. I also believe the Internet is losing ground on this point.
YeGoblynQueenneover 5 years ago
In case anyone else was wondering about when this was published, as I was, this was published on RMS&#x27;s site today:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stallman.org&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2019-jul-oct.html#23_September_2019_(Microsoft)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stallman.org&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2019-jul-oct.html#23_Septe...</a>
paggleover 5 years ago
I hope he got paid well for that talk, it was probably his last paid speaking engagement.
enzover 5 years ago
&gt;Release the source code of Windows under the GNU GPL.<p>&gt;I know that is a stretch, but from what I heard there. it isn&#x27;t totally impossible.<p>Really? Does anyone have more info about that?
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jamesgeck0over 5 years ago
&gt; Help fight against copyright on interfaces.<p>This one puzzles me. I thought patents were the big threat for UIs? Or is he talking about copyrighted APIs?
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sys_64738over 5 years ago
&gt; Release the source code of Windows under the GNU GPL.<p>Once that occurs then we will all trust Microsoft without reservation. Even Stallman.
srbbyover 5 years ago
Linked from tfa: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gnu.org&#x2F;philosophy&#x2F;microsoft.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gnu.org&#x2F;philosophy&#x2F;microsoft.html</a><p>&gt;we do recognize [Microsoft] as the company that has separated more users from their freedom than any other<p>Is this still true in the age of the iPhone?
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Maximus9000over 5 years ago
Some clunky writing here:<p>&gt; it isn&#x27;t totally impossible.<p>&gt; so we can run them without any nonfree software<p>Edit: removed my suggestions
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