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Kosher Cell Phone

15 pointsby r29vzg2over 5 years ago

7 comments

trigoogirtover 5 years ago
It actually started from &quot;Kosher lines&quot;, special subscriptions provided by MNO, with intentionally limited service (blacklisting phone numbers for calls and text, as well as blacklisting websites).<p>Once teenagers started buying their own subscriptions, it was decided to move the blacklisting into the HW - hence the kosher phones.<p>Fun fact: since the Jewish orthodox community is relatively poor, yet a strong &quot;buying force&quot; due to their big number, they were able to negotiate very low rates with the MNOs. To prevent secular people from taking advantage of these rates, the Kosher Lines include big fines if used for incoming&#x2F;outgoing call on Sabath...<p>For more info: the translated page from Wikipedoa - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;translate.google.com&#x2F;translate?sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=https%3A%2F%2Fhe.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%25D7%25A1%25D7%259C%25D7%2595%25D7%259C%25D7%25A8%25D7%2599_%25D7%259B%25D7%25A9%25D7%25A8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;translate.google.com&#x2F;translate?sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=https...</a>
tibbydudezaover 5 years ago
Have an aunt in old age home and she finally upgraded to a Android phone (LG Q60) after using a Nokia 3110 ... her biggest complaint was that the phone could not take photos.<p>I wish there was an &quot;old folk&quot; interface to switch on in Android ... spent the entire Saturday hiding and removing unnecessary clutter so she can only see the dialer, contacts, sms , camera, gallery and whatsapp on her home page.
shmerlover 5 years ago
This is more of a business scheme, than a social one. I.e. sellers of such services made huge amount of money by hyping it up and getting a narrow market, trying to claim, using other options is forbidden. So even in orthodox Jewish communities such efforts are often seen as pursuing ulterior motives and therefore aren&#x27;t really looked upon positively.
themodelplumberover 5 years ago
I was thinking these were just older phones so I was surprised to see a Galaxy s10e in a kosher store when I checked just now. The value-add: It has 1) No browser and 2) no way to connect to the internet except through approved apps.<p>There is a pretty interesting market for various internet-interface devices among religious cultures.
ineedasernameover 5 years ago
There are other such work arounds, like elevators that run constantly, stopping on every floor, to the user doesn&#x27;t have to push the buttons: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Shabbat_elevator" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Shabbat_elevator</a>
pkambover 5 years ago
I&#x27;ve been using a secondary iPhone SE as my &quot;gym phone&quot; and I really love it. Majorly cuts down on time wasting.<p>No web browser. No Instagram.<p>Just podcasts, Music, and Netflix.<p>AirPods work perfectly, and Overcast syncs my podcasts with my main phone. Seamless.
kelnosover 5 years ago
One of the defining features seems to be that it has no text messaging facilities, and can only make and receive calls, because texting apparently leads to &quot;immodesty&quot;[0]:<p>&gt; <i>Texting is not only a waste of time, the [rabbinical] authorities found, it encourages &quot;immodest&quot; exchanges which would not happen on the telephone or face to face.</i><p>I just... I know religion is a difficult topic for many people. I was raised Catholic (CCD once a week through 8th grade, completed all the sacraments, attended Mass nearly every weekend until I was 18 and left home), but became an atheist when I was in my early teens (privately, as my parents would have punished me had they known). I found a lot of things wrong with Catholicism, but one of the big issues I had was many parishoners&#x27; blind adherence to dogma, and their sudden inability to think critically where any aspect of religion was concerned. This struck me as something that could be -- and it turned out, is -- easily abused by religious leaders.<p>So this prohibition on texting just seems like a method of control to me. It feels cherry-picked, and the reason for banning it seems contrived. There are so many other ways to be &quot;immodest&quot; that it feels weird to focus on something like this. Where do these things come from? It seems so arbitrary and capricious.<p>Orthodox Judaism seems full of things like this, especially the prohibition on doing certain things on the Sabbath. I remember reading about how it&#x27;s not ok to use an elevator on the Sabbath, and workarounds like elevators that automatically always stop at every floor, or waiting for a non-Jewish person to use the elevator to piggyback on their usage. It just feels so intellectually dishonest, like finding ways to follow the letter of the rules while completely ignoring their spirit.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pri.org&#x2F;stories&#x2F;2012-01-25&#x2F;kosher-phones-britains-orthodox-jews" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pri.org&#x2F;stories&#x2F;2012-01-25&#x2F;kosher-phones-britain...</a> (linked as a source from the posted Wikipedia article)
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