I guess I am a somewhat neutral bystander here. I'm from India and the way I see it, these sorts of actions, will simply force China and Chinese companies to develop alternatives to US products. For the short to medium term these blacklists will hurt Chinese companies severely, perhaps even put some of them out of business. However, in the long term 15-20 years, I would imagine, China would have fully caught up with the US particularly on semiconductor design and fabrication. Once that happens, the dominance of the US tech stack will start to falter and eventually erode away. If I were the US govt., I would invest every available dollar and minute on building up a technological lead, because, oh boy it is going to need every last bit of advantage it can get. And even that may not be enough.<p>For the world, this may not be a terrible outcome, (although don't get me wrong -- no trade war would be the best outcome.) . For one thing, it breaks monopolies across the tech stack from E-commerce all the way to semi-conductor manufacturing equipment. That competition between US and Chinese companies can only benefit the world. It's happening in 5G already.
One thing that I really like about the Trump administration is that finally the WH has decided to act against the systemic threat posed by China.<p>Can someone who is well versed in politics shed some light on if this is a trump specific phenonemon or had there been a sea change and the dems are now on board too ?
Wow, interesting to see Hikvision on this list, I own several of their cameras (and keep them isolated on a separate VLAN), but once you know them, you see them everywhere, they have a huge hold in the video surveillance market. Wonder if their main Chinese competitor, Dahua will pick up their market share in the US or if there's a more local competitor.<p>Huawei's HiSilicon fab makes purpose built ICs for these things, I've dumped the firmware for some whitebox ones done by a local tech retailer, but they were still heavily reliant on those ICs. Will be very interesting to see what happens in that market if this persists for long.
<a href="https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2019-22210.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.g...</a><p>Actual ban document.
SenseTime was founded by an MIT grad and has joint AI research partnership with MIT[0]. It will be interesting what this blacklist means for these kinds of collaborations.<p>[0] <a href="https://news.mit.edu/2018/mit-sensetime-announce-effort-advance-artificial-intelligence-research-0228" rel="nofollow">https://news.mit.edu/2018/mit-sensetime-announce-effort-adva...</a>
The US claims that this blacklisting is unrelated to trade negotiations, but one has to wonder -- why did we wait until now?<p>And if this is just a way to create leverage during trade negotiations, how would the administration gracefully reverse these blacklisting actions in exchange for something unrelated without it being patently clear that this was never about human rights?
Has this kind of strategy ever worked, in trade negotiations? It seems about as likely to be effective as a bombing campaign: It'll reduce the other side's effectiveness, but from a negotiation perspective it'll only cause them to dig in harder.
So far, china has only retaliated defensively against the us. I wonder what will happen when china decides to go on the offensive the same way the us has and hit were it really hurts? What will happen if they cut off the us entirely and force asian countries to cease trading with it (i.e. using the same strategies used to isolate iran or turkey).<p>Successful military intervention is unlikely since china is a nuclear superpower with a strong army and an even stronger industrial backbone. They're not some defenseless third-world shithole.<p>I can't imagine it being long now, but china will eventually get to the tipping point were things start to go downhill for them. I bet china won't let it get to that point without retaliating for it's destroyed economy by thoroughly destroying the us economy while it still can.<p>I think we'll soon be seeing humanity's first economical MAD event.
Wouldn't be more effective to target parts of their economy that hurts they're most vulnerable members of society and spread from there? They could potentially start a mainland revolt really forcing their hand.
Doesn't the trade war actually benefit all involved countries?<p>This could just be a hidden deal between governments to massively increase the tax income under the cover of a trade war.
Using political means instead of fair competition in the market is not only showing the hegemony of the US, but also showing that the US technology is not confident.
if US wants to put pressure on and punish China, then instead of shooting itself in the foot and everywhere else with tariffs US could have just offered say 10K Green Cards (each coming with $1M resettlement bonus) to the top China researchers&engineers in any industry in China that US would want to cripple as a punishment. At $1M per such a top head it would be a steal for US, and for China it would be a very painful damage. Rinse and repeat ... (Such a solution comes to my mind as result of observing of pitiful state of Russia resulting from the brain-drain (immigration as well as just tech heads switching away into business/etc) it suffered especially during 199x)
If you really want the Palantir of the Chinese, check out Novogene. Then ask yourself why they have a CLIA- and CAP-approved lab in Sacramento. Then ask yourself, what shameless, desperate, or just clueless physicians and researchers are allowing their patients' genomes to be sequenced by an asset of the Chinese Communist Party.<p><a href="https://en.novogene.com/technology/quality-control/lab-certifications/" rel="nofollow">https://en.novogene.com/technology/quality-control/lab-certi...</a><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/novogene-corporation" rel="nofollow">https://www.linkedin.com/company/novogene-corporation</a><p><a href="https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Novogene-Reviews-E1790104.htm" rel="nofollow">https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Novogene-Reviews-E1790104....</a>
South Park episode and NBA fiasco made it possible for the public to be grateful for the move.<p>Or maybe it was planned to happen before another round of negotiations and the timing is a... coincidence? Hard to believe in these anymore.
The art of caption…<p>> [..] some of China’s top artificial intelligence startups, punishing Beijing for its treatment of Muslim minorities [..]<p>> The decision, which drew a sharp rebuke from Beijing, targets 20 Chinese public security bureaus and eight companies including video surveillance firm Hikvision, as well as leaders in facial recognition technology SenseTime Group Ltd and Megvii Technology Ltd.<p>So Chinese palantirs get blacklisted, boo-f-hoo.
Given the enormity of their population, one would expect they would have managed to come up with <i>something</i>. Honestly the world would be a far, far better place if the entire Chinese nation were to disappear off the surface of the earth.<p>(Edit: since Chinese trolls have been down voting me, I will reply here to the comment below: clearly by the Chinese nation I was talking about the 1.3 billion in China. There shouldn't be any moral qualms in <i>their</i> case. Enlightened people and brainwashed people are not moral equals, just as humans and chickens are not)
Have any other candidates expressed support for hardline Chinese policies? Trump easily has 4 more years, but I'm not sure who can successfully keep this going after that. I haven't paid much attention to the field, but I haven't seen any news on anyone else making statements on the topic.
I thought that "blacklist" was deprecated and that "denylist" or "blocklist" were appropriate usages?<p><a href="https://developers.google.com/style/word-list#letter-B" rel="nofollow">https://developers.google.com/style/word-list#letter-B</a>