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Baking a Better Loaf of Bread

238 pointsby blue_devilover 5 years ago

26 comments

kop316over 5 years ago
If home baking interests you, I have three suggestions:<p>- Flour Water Salt Yeast by Ken Forkish<p>- The Bread Baker&#x27;s Apprentice by Peter Reinhart<p>- The King Arthur Flour Baker&#x27;s Companion<p>Having never baked anything complex before, those books have been amazing in learning how to bake. The bread is amazing and tastes as good as a small bakery.<p>Ken Forkish also makes a book called &quot;The Elements of Pizza&quot; and shows you how to make Italian, NY, and several over styles of pizza too. That in my opinion is a must have book if you want to make Pizza.
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girzelover 5 years ago
I knew I&#x27;d fallen down the rabbit hole when my dad and I started going in on 50lb sacks of wheat berries from Eastern Washington (I&#x27;m in Seattle). I can&#x27;t remember, I think it&#x27;s like 20 or 30 dollars a sack. I have a mill attachment for a KitchenAid, it&#x27;s not awesome but it does the trick. My dad bakes 100% ground berries (so completely whole-wheat, by definition), but I mix it with bread flour -- using whole wheat to feed the sourdough starter.<p>It produces an absolutely incredible flavor. If you give it a slow proof and bake in a cast iron dutch oven, you get these amazing cinnamon and nut smells as it bakes. Just the most delicious bread.
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hn_throwaway_99over 5 years ago
One thing I love about France. Delicious bread is <i>everywhere</i>. Even the corner convenience store sells a wider variety and tastier selection of fresh bread than many grocery stores in the US.
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blue_devilover 5 years ago
Here&#x27;re a couple videos about Prof Wolfe&#x27;s method:<p>Wheat Populations at Wakelyns Agroforestry Farm <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=EDV_tLmeeFE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=EDV_tLmeeFE</a><p>The story of Wakelyns Agroforestry <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;256082580" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;256082580</a>
chadcmulliganover 5 years ago
A question one of you bread fans may be able to answer. My daughter has what we thought was a gluten intolerance, she recently went to Italy though and can eat their bread and pasta fine. Coming back to Australia, and eating bread here - same reaction, she&#x27;s found a deli that imports Italian bread and can eat that. I&#x27;ve looked at the ingredients list and nothing leaps out, one thing I was thinking maybe the wheat is different and so the Gluten is a slightly different shape maybe, any of you folk know what the difference could be?
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sm4rk0over 5 years ago
As a hacker, I especially like this project: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;hendricius&#x2F;the-bread-code" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;hendricius&#x2F;the-bread-code</a>
downtideover 5 years ago
Due to a broken oven, I&#x27;ve ended up using a breadmaker, and although the results are middle of the road, the simplicity of making a loaf is super. Just throw in the ingredients, set timer, wake to the smell of cooking bread. The kneading is a bit weedy and I get better results by hand. But the breadmaker makes no mess at all.
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viburnumover 5 years ago
I really enjoyed this article. I remember reading about the WSU Bread Lab etc a few years ago and it was great to get an update. Here are two older articles about bread that I really liked (both feature the Bread Lab):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;2014&#x2F;11&#x2F;03&#x2F;grain" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;2014&#x2F;11&#x2F;03&#x2F;grain</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;11&#x2F;01&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;bread-is-broken.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;11&#x2F;01&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;bread-is-broken....</a><p>Here&#x27;s a quote that explains what the deal is with the whole wheat bread you can buy in America:<p><i>A grain of wheat has three main components: a fibrous and nutrient-rich outer coating called the bran; the flavorful and aromatic germ, a living embryo that eventually develops into the adult plant; and a pouch of starch known as the endosperm, which makes up the bulk of the grain. Before roller mills, all three parts were mashed together when processed. As a result, flour was not the inert white powder most of us are familiar with today; it was pungent, golden and speckled, because of fragrant oils released from the living germ and bits of hardy bran. If freshly ground flour was not used within a few weeks, however, the oils turned it rancid.</i><p><i>Roller mills solved this problem. Their immense spinning cylinders denuded the endosperm and discarded the germ and bran, producing virtually unspoilable alabaster flour composed entirely of endosperm. It was a boon for the growing flour industry: Mills could now source wheat from all over, blend it to achieve consistency and transport it across the nation without worrying about shelf life. That newfound durability came at a huge cost, however, sacrificing much of the grain’s flavor and nutrition. In the 1940s, to compensate for these nutritional deficiencies, flour producers started fortifying white flour with iron and B vitamins, a ubiquitous practice today. The rise of roller milling and bread factories also put pressure on plant breeders to make wheat even more amenable to the new dominant technologies; whiteness, hardness and uniformity took precedence over flavor, nutrition and novelty.</i><p><i>Today, whole-wheat flour accounts for only 6 percent of all flour produced in the United States. And most whole-wheat products sold in supermarkets are made from roller-milled flour with the germ and bran added back in.</i>
maxnoeover 5 years ago
As a German, this deeply irritates me. People have not eaten proper bread since &quot;generations&quot;?<p>WTF?
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mrobover 5 years ago
I dislike these trendy breads. They have excessively hard crusts and large holes, both of which I consider defects. My favorite bread is made with low hydration dough (50% water by baker&#x27;s percentage, i.e. percent of flour weight) for a dense crumb, and cooked by steaming for an extra-soft crust. The trendy recipes also have too much salt, which masks the flavor of the fermentation products. IMO 1% salt by baker&#x27;s percentage is sufficient. Sourdough is helpful for adding flavor to wholegrain or non-wheat breads, but for standard white bread I find it never develops much sourness, and long proofing with standard dried yeast is just as good.<p>Try experimenting with recipes yourself instead of just copying what&#x27;s popular. I think a lot of bread recipes are designed to make good looking bread, rather than bread that&#x27;s enjoyable to eat.
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dev_dullover 5 years ago
Using bread flour really is one of those things that’s easy to miss but often times discourages first time bakers. The gluten makes a HUGE difference in the crumb and mouthfeel.<p>Also tip for other busy bakers like myself that don’t want to keep two types of flour stocked. Keep some vital wheat gluten in the freezer and throw in a teaspoon or two with each cup of AP flour. Instant bread flour!
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bluedinoover 5 years ago
This is a great recipe to start out with if you&#x27;d like to start making your own bread:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;artisanbreadinfive.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;22&#x2F;the-new-artisan-bread-in-five-minutes-a-day-is-launched-back-to-basics-updated&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;artisanbreadinfive.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;22&#x2F;the-new-artisan-br...</a>
droithommeover 5 years ago
Just make this 3x a week.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cooking.nytimes.com&#x2F;recipes&#x2F;11376-no-knead-bread" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cooking.nytimes.com&#x2F;recipes&#x2F;11376-no-knead-bread</a><p>Once you get it down, you can make it more fancy by adding other things.<p>Yeah, store bought breads are terrible with all the weird crap.<p>Fantastic, delicious, nutritious, satisfying, world-class bread is incredibly simple and easy to make. If your book&#x27;s recipe is complex and hard to follow, throw it out. They are a poser.<p>Good bread doesn&#x27;t last long though and has no shelf duration. But it doesn&#x27;t have to because it will all be eaten quickly. Store bread is entirely about long term storage of something never intended to be stored more than a day. Given those constraints it is what it is.
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Animatsover 5 years ago
Artisanal bread making. How it&#x27;s <i>really</i> done.[1] Note how much takes place before baking.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=2Qm_iHgFsPw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=2Qm_iHgFsPw</a>
WomanCanCodeover 5 years ago
This article reminds me of a documentary on Netflix about how we prefer to grow surpluses of lower quality wheat crops in the US that has higher yield output. I wonder if we will ever go back to quality as oppose to quantity ….
mark_l_watsonover 5 years ago
Sometimes the health food stores in town have whole wheat flat bread with just whole wheat flour, yeast, salt, water. I can imagine my distant ancestors eating it and feeling right at home with it.<p>I am supposed to watch the glycemic index of food I eat so eating a small amount of dense whole wheat flat bread works for me. I also sometimes make pizza crust from riced fresh cauliflower and avoid the wheat altogether.<p>I really like the advice given in the article about only eating what our great grandmothers would recognize as food.
tmikaeldover 5 years ago
Actually tried making sourdough bread at home, the taste and texture eventually became so superior that we don&#x27;t want to buy bread in the store any more.<p>Sure, there are &quot;sourdough&quot; bread in the store, but they always add ordinary yeast to speed up the process, tastes nothing near the real thing.<p>There did open a new sourdough bakery in the city that does it correctly, however, a single loaf cost 7€.
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senectus1over 5 years ago
Its all about the flour.<p>I&#x27;m Australian I recently went through south America for work and was <i>shocked</i> at the poor quality bread products in that country. It turns out their bread has a really poor gluten quality, makes a huge diff to the mouth feel and eat-ability of the bread.
gedenover 5 years ago
By bizarre coincidence I bumped into my neighbours yesterday, they’d just arrived back from Tuxford Mill after reading the Guardian article. We live only 15 mins away.<p>I’ve been buying Tuxford Mill porridge oats from for a few years. Going to try my hand at sourdough now!
GordonSover 5 years ago
Random thought - I like to bake cakes with the kids, so I always have flour in the cupboard, but seldom yeast.<p>I&#x27;ve looked, but even flatbread recipes I&#x27;ve found seem to include yeast - is there such a thing as bread <i>without</i> yeast?
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ip26over 5 years ago
<i>Quite often, I find a couple of thick slices, spread with a generous swathe of butter, a satisfying lunch.</i><p>Who <i>are</i> these people? I would be hungry again within ten minutes. (BMI of ~19)
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simonebrunozziover 5 years ago
Book suggestions are great, but I have a more compelling question for all of you: where to get absolutely amazing flour (in the US)?
grumpydbaover 5 years ago
How to bake a better loaf: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;8B_7AFYmkYo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;8B_7AFYmkYo</a>
p1mrxover 5 years ago
I wouldn&#x27;t mind having good bread from time to time, but a loaf is well over 1000 calories, and it goes stale before I have time to eat that much. Frozen bread is difficult to cut, and even pre-sliced frozen bread is a pain to tear apart.<p>Somebody should make good bread that&#x27;s pre-sliced into several chunks, with sheets of (e.g.) wax paper dividing them. Each loaf could also include a small resealable bag, so you always have a convenient container for the current non-frozen chunk.
bluedinoover 5 years ago
I love baking bread, but it&#x27;s hard to argue with the $2.99 loaf from La Brea in the &quot;bakery&quot; at the local Kroger.
rayinerover 5 years ago
&gt; Wholegrain, sourdough bread is a very different beast; crunchy, crusty, chewy, with a complex taste that is rich, nutty and tangy. Quite often, I find a couple of thick slices, spread with a generous swathe of butter, a satisfying lunch.<p>What sanctimony! For my part, I recently discovered Trader Joe’s Canadian White bread. Such a revelation after being subjected to modern bread filling with random seeds and whatnot. Seeds are for birds!
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