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Mozilla’s 18-month effort to market without Facebook

436 pointsby watchdogtimerover 5 years ago

10 comments

dpcanover 5 years ago
&quot;Facebook was one of our better-performing channels at the time that we made the decision&quot;<p>Everyone likes to say they don&#x27;t use Facebook, but they do. Or at least 10 people they know do.<p>Local businesses use Facebook relentlessly because, lots of times, it actually works to get people in the door or calling your number. Small businesses almost have to use its ad platform (in my opinion). I don&#x27;t think local businesses can afford to look away from a top performer like this.<p>When I ran an escape room business, my fill-rate on weekends was typically dependent on whether or not I was spending money on Facebook. Google ads were second. Anything else barely had any ROI. Well - in the first few months of running the business, the local newspaper actually brought in some people, but nothing compared to my longer ad runs on Facebook.<p>I feel like this is a &quot;you don&#x27;t need Facebook&quot; chant, but I feel that&#x27;s not true for all industries, and I hope the take-away here is that maybe a huge online business with a giant ad budget can find other means, but if you are a small local business with $300 a month for marketing, I personally believe that you kind-of need Facebook.
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mastaziover 5 years ago
&gt; it’s unclear why Mozilla is fine with Google’s data practices but not Facebook’s as the company did not immediately respond to a request for clarification.<p>I often wonder the same.<p>And also:<p>Why there is an official Facebook container[1] but not an official Google container?[2]<p>Why a fresh install of Firefox sends multiple calls to Google, including services that track users such as Analytics?[3]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.mozilla.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2019&#x2F;06&#x2F;04&#x2F;firefox-now-available-with-enhanced-tracking-protection-by-default&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.mozilla.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2019&#x2F;06&#x2F;04&#x2F;firefox-now-availab...</a><p>[2] there is a third party Google container at least <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;addons.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-US&#x2F;firefox&#x2F;addon&#x2F;google-container&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;addons.mozilla.org&#x2F;en-US&#x2F;firefox&#x2F;addon&#x2F;google-contai...</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jonathansampson&#x2F;status&#x2F;1165858896176660480" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jonathansampson&#x2F;status&#x2F;11658588961766604...</a>
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Hittonover 5 years ago
In my opinion advertising browser on facebook is absolutely useless. How many users do you think see an advert and install browser when they current one is for all their intents and purposes same. Mozilla needs to aim at technical people, who will install Firefox not only on their own devices, but also on devices of their relatives (or in case of administrators on devices of their users).<p>And only few technical people care about minuscule difference in performance anymore, so they need to advertise what Google, their main competitor, doesn&#x27;t offer - privacy. Best way to advertise would be either tech news on articles related to privacy issues and possibly tech influencers who can properly explain privacy benefits.<p>Another way to strike favour with tech crowd would be eliminating bloat from Firefox (e.g. Pocket, still no idea why they bought them, as an extension it worked fine).
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bhoustonover 5 years ago
Firefox&#x27;s marketshare is pretty horrible - non-existence on mobile and very small on desktop and shrinking at 10% a year. It is basically at Edge-levels of adoption on desktop:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gs.statcounter.com&#x2F;browser-market-share#monthly-200901-201910" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gs.statcounter.com&#x2F;browser-market-share#monthly-2009...</a>
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rswailover 5 years ago
um, did anyone else notice that Mozilla has <i>100</i> people in their marketing department?<p>What do they all do?
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sebastianconcptover 5 years ago
<i>Mozilla’s marketing budget is between $20 million and $100 million, said Kaykas-Wolff, adding that “it varies depending upon the different programs we’re running.” Per Kantar, which doesn’t track spending on social channels, Mozilla spent $8.2 million in 2018. The budget is split with 50% focused on North America and 50% focused on the rest of the world.<p>Mozilla’s pivot away from Facebook followed the Cambridge Analytica scandal. Now, the majority of the company’s digital spending goes to Google properties — Mozilla’s Firefox competes with Google’s Chrome — as a part of its digital acquisition strategy. According to Netshare, as previously reported by Digiday, Firefox’s market share is 9.3% of global monthly on desktop; meanwhile, Google Chrome’s is 66%. Aside from Cambridge Analytica, it’s unclear why Mozilla is fine with Google’s data practices but not Facebook’s as the company did not immediately respond to a request for clarification. The rest of the digital budget goes directly to publishers.</i>
sk84lifeover 5 years ago
Keyword that I like was PRIVACY<p>It&#x27;s meaning is fading today too much.
0000011111over 5 years ago
Fundamentally the platform (facebook, google, etc) the majority of folks use to connect with be the best one to market products and services on.<p>The issue is that these platforms change over time and across generations.<p>In short, as firms, markets, and societies change so will effective marketing strategies.<p>We can still bicker about whether or not FB has reached its high watermark. It looks like it has for Firefox users though.
josefrescoover 5 years ago
Does Google allow politicians to lie on their advertising platform like Facebook? Genuinely asking, as it&#x27;s a stated policy of Facebook but I haven&#x27;t heard or seen analysis comparing Google&#x27;s ad network. I realize this decision by Mozilla was based on a previous Facebook <i>blunder</i>.
K0SM0Sover 5 years ago
I think Mozilla needs to re-think their whole marketing approach yesterday. A few remarks:<p>- 50% US &#x2F; 50% &quot;rest of the world&quot;? Nah. There&#x27;s little to no chance to make a strong dent in the US, home of Chrome and Apple and Microsoft etc. Pivot to 99% &quot;rest of the world&quot; and switch to my other point entirely for the US. There&#x27;s much more need, reason and room for Mozilla to grow internationally.<p>- forget about ad spending, whether Google or TV, it just doesn&#x27;t suit Mozilla&#x27;s image, mission, product, nor customers. What we want is to attract the core deciders, from a grassroot kinda move, which spreads to peers, circles, and grows up, towards the corporate. What we want is the &#x27;elite&#x27; or &#x27;nerdy&#x27; segment even if we&#x27;ll never call it that. The 1% that make a community thrive because they&#x27;re so quintessential to tech in general, locally in their projects &#x2F; cities &#x2F; worlds. The few that are blessed with speech and some social presence, aura, authority. The ones others follow and listen to for &#x27;tech stuff&#x27;.<p>So move worldwide now, and spend almost exclusively on these people. Influencers, media, awareness, image, mission — maybe even some communities living on forums could become advocates. Coordinate locally through bigger advocates to form an army of legions.<p>Maybe find a big thing, like &quot;we&#x27;ll be in space for humans day 1 to assist expansion&quot; — moon, mars, satellites, whatever rocks the boat for the next decade (think really big, above yearly trends, give a face to a &quot;superior&quot; company). (I&#x27;m a space geek, perhaps this is just my taste)<p>Working with people directly, podcasters and youtubers gitlabers and whatnot, hordes of them, is a more tedious, longer approach, but as well a more long-term and much more engaging way to reach people. The money paid in sponsorship goes directly to &#x27;building the world&#x27; (these people are evangelizers of principles and values, they&#x27;re teachers, they&#x27;re coaches, they play a valuable role in society), not some indirect major ad platform engrossing. It fuels communities that become grateful, with good reason, for marketing money. It becomes &quot;clean&quot; money by virtue of being used for something good.<p>- Don&#x27;t dictate the message, let your &#x27;influencers&#x27; feedback your way to browser supremacy, publicly so; make it a topic not a mandate — this is not just a &#x27;strategy&#x27;, it&#x27;s a &quot;<i>why</i>&quot; materialized, a life path, a superior way to accomplish the mission. It&#x27;s immortality through the software we give now and leave after us. Pivot to meet that, to meet your dearest users needs and wants. That&#x27;s how you beat the faceless Google Chrome, imho. By giving the browser back to the people, by being a positive company not in some abstract &quot;PR-humanitarian&quot; way (although that&#x27;s good!) but in a more direct-to-user way. By serving the worthy movements and people you find in this world. Grassroots seeding. Think: <i>for a browser company, connecting people and stuff is pretty much what we do. Let&#x27;s show the world how much good we can do when there&#x27;s a whole company behind that!</i><p>It&#x27;ll take 10 years. There&#x27;s no &quot;too late&quot; — until someone else does it, but that&#x27;s also considered a win for Mozilla in that regard. By 2030, it can be done. And by virtue of being a dominant OSS, it has a staying power far greater than its rivals.<p>It&#x27;s possible, Mozilla. This is just one rough draft, maybe not the one, but just to say: reinvent that sh--.