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Shining some light on the history of OS/2, Win9x and NT

54 pointsby stargraveover 5 years ago

7 comments

temacover 5 years ago
Mostly wrong IMO. NT is more like VMS rewritten + pieces of MS code integrated (or rewritten), certainly not a "portable OS/2". The OS/2 parts were confined in the subsystem and are now extinct. As for the IBM did not know how to do OSes opinion, that's both kind of a joke and meaningless: in gigantic organizations, there is not a single mind and single centralized knowledge about X or Y. It bowl down to smaller teams, or even sub-teams. And if there were, "IBM" has done plenty of OSes, and some of them have been in service and backward compat for way longer than anything MS did, ever.
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jsjohnstover 5 years ago
Not only did I live through this era of operating systems, I’m also a voracious reader of the history of tech companies and have read dozens of books on Microsoft and IBM history, and yet never once have I heard many of the claims in this article. I’d take it with a grain of salt if it were me.
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trentnelsonover 5 years ago
&gt; DEC cancelled it. Cutler and his team left and went to Microsoft. MS didn&#x27;t know what to do with this élite group so it gave them OS&#x2F;2 3 to finish.<p>Based on the Showstoppers book -- it&#x27;s more like: Bill Gates knew the days of Windows 3.x were limited, and needed a new, next generation operating system.<p>Gordon Bell convinced Bill Gates to call David Cutler, of VMS&#x2F;DEC fame (Bill Gates was always impressed with DEC as an engineering company).<p>Cutler was like, &quot;what, come work for that dinky company that makes crappy Office docs and a shitty OS? Psscht.&quot;<p>Bill persisted, saying it&#x27;ll be a brand new OS that he&#x27;ll lead. Cutler insisted only if he got to bring his DEC team (like, 200+ people) and basically got whatever he wanted. Bill obliged.<p>NT development started in &#x27;89.<p>Such a pivotal moment in computing history. If I ever got to chat to Bill Gates, I&#x27;d ask him what he was more proud of: a) getting Cutler on board for NT, or b) orchestrating the backward-compat mindset that set up the Windows 3.11 -&gt; Windows 95 -&gt; Windows NT -&gt; Windows XP transition.
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codingdaveover 5 years ago
It is hard to pull an accurate history from a couple decades ago. All I know is that when I worked at IBM in those days, a few coders told me that OS&#x2F;2 was supposed to be an OS for mainframe controllers, but that it got usurped by people with other ideas, and was just another project that wasn&#x27;t going to fly very far.<p>I didn&#x27;t know whether that was true, why they said it, or what really was going on with the people involved. But I remember the comment and always take what I hear about the history of projects with a grain of salt.
karmakazeover 5 years ago
There&#x27;s some misstatements in there. &quot;IBM developed OS&#x2F;2 2 on its own&quot; is definitely not true. I was working with OS&#x2F;2 1.x and receiving frequent drops of early development versions of OS&#x2F;2 2.x all clearly from Microsoft on floppies with Microsoft OS&#x2F;2 2.0 all over them. I even went to MS&#x27;s Redmond campus for several weeks of OS&#x2F;2 API programming. What is true is that MS was tasked with the OS&#x2F;2 3.x effort while IBM carried on with the OS&#x2F;2 2.x line.<p>At the time, the Windows 9x vs OS&#x2F;2 2.x didn&#x27;t have a clear expected winner. In the end the doom of OS&#x2F;2 was due a lack of applications. There were other contributing factors like how IBM simultaneously launched the PS&#x2F;2 line and the OS&#x2F;2 1.x version were rarely run on non-IBM hardware (v1.3 ran like a dream on PC clones though.)
karmakazeover 5 years ago
The WinOS2 development was an incredible marketing and technical marvel. Codenamed Ferengi and sold as &quot;OS&#x2F;2 for Windows&quot; it allowed you to &#x27;upgrade&#x27; your Windows-license installation to run OS&#x2F;2 with Windows 3.1 running on top of OS&#x2F;2. It would be like installing Linux on a Windows machine and getting Linux and Wine. Before it was done, most everyone was saying that it wasn&#x27;t possible. It ran most of the native windows drivers the main thing that was tricky was sharing the screen to have seamless Windows rectangles overlapping with OS&#x2F;2 rectangles.<p>I personally didn&#x27;t care for running cooperatively scheduled Windows 16-bit apps on a 32-bit OS.
GeekyBearover 5 years ago
Mark Russinovich, the current CTO of Azure at Microsoft, wrote an article years ago pointing out that Windows NT was more than &quot;influenced&quot; by VMS and at the deepest levels it was closer to a rewrite of VMS from VAX assembly language into C.<p>Components evolved during the rewrite and, of course, there were many new things added, (Win32, NTFS, etc) but the base is the same.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.itprotoday.com&#x2F;compute-engines&#x2F;windows-nt-and-vms-rest-story" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.itprotoday.com&#x2F;compute-engines&#x2F;windows-nt-and-vm...</a>
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