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Dopamine Fasting

190 pointsby sajidover 5 years ago

27 comments

wccrawfordover 5 years ago
Reading through this, it identifies something that I&#x27;ve seen a lot of people say is a problem, and suggests that the way to solve the problem is simply <i>don&#x27;t do it sometimes, on a schedule</i>.<p>While that may help, you&#x27;ve basically dedicated a portion of your life to not enjoying your life.<p>Instead, I&#x27;ve taken a different tack. I&#x27;ve chosen to do those addictive things less, but instead of not-doing-fun-things, I do fun things that are at least somewhat productive.<p>For me, that&#x27;s making something or learning a new skill, usually in order to make something. Programming, woodworking, drawing, etc. Even just putting together Lego or Metal Earth figurines, though it&#x27;s harder to justify them as &quot;productive&quot; rather than just fun.<p>I still play video games. But I don&#x27;t play those mobile games with the &quot;gacha&quot; mechanics. It&#x27;s not that I don&#x27;t enjoy them, but that I realize they take over my life and are not productive at all. At all.<p>It&#x27;s not at all easy to kick these bad habits this way, but it&#x27;s way better than &quot;dopamine fasting&quot;, IMO.
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goactualizeover 5 years ago
Terribly biased hit piece on Silicon Valley, here is my rebuttal: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@DrSepah&#x2F;why-the-media-lies-to-you-about-dopamine-fasting-dceed8be007e" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@DrSepah&#x2F;why-the-media-lies-to-you-about-...</a>
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bob1029over 5 years ago
I find exercise is the best solution along similar lines for me, and has the added side effect of actually making you stronger and healthier. The difference is night and day:<p>If I don&#x27;t regularly exercise, I&#x27;ll get burned out very quickly on some task I would have normally found fun previously. E.g. some highly-intense game like a competitive multiplayer shooter, or even a difficult programming challenge. Even interacting with other people can suck in this mode.<p>If I am regularly exercising (I.e. 30 minutes of cardio every day or better), I can carry through marathon sessions of gaming or coding with a smile on my face the entire time. My social tolerance levels are infinitely higher than without.<p>I still don&#x27;t fully understand all of the biology behind this, but it seems that regular exercise is a great way to pay-forward the debt that is incurred when you stimulate your dopamine receptors. Maybe there is some relationship between exercise&#x2F;sleep&#x2F;dopamine&#x2F;serotonin, because I find that regular exercise yields substantially deeper sleep, and when I wake up from this I feel like I want to engage in challenging tasks.
Merrillover 5 years ago
&gt;It consists of a period of abstention from earthy delights like sex, drugs, and, in some extreme cases, talking to other people, for 24 hours or more. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en_us&#x2F;article&#x2F;vb5qb9&#x2F;dopamine-fasting-is-the-newest-sounds-fake-but-ok-wellness-trend" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en_us&#x2F;article&#x2F;vb5qb9&#x2F;dopamine-fasting-i...</a><p>See also <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Asceticism" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Asceticism</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Vow_of_silence" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Vow_of_silence</a><p>&gt;In many monasteries it is the custom to begin the &quot;Great Silence&quot; after Compline, during which the whole community, including guests, observes silence throughout the night until the morning service the next day. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Compline" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Compline</a>
nabdabover 5 years ago
Naming things is hard.<p>This seems to be a scientifically proven and effective treatment which has proved benefits. But the name makes people have incorrect assumptions (and apparently also at least one practitioner). So it’s getting a lot of bad press.<p>All because of a bad name.
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neonateover 5 years ago
<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;uvfnI" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;uvfnI</a>
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hobo_markover 5 years ago
Hahahaha, I guess the story originated from this tweet?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jnymnz&#x2F;status&#x2F;1179175270105763846" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;jnymnz&#x2F;status&#x2F;1179175270105763846</a>
bitexploderover 5 years ago
Cal Newport wrote an entire book around this called Digital Minimalism. I encourage folks to take a look. Taking an occasional break is good. Making technology actually work for you is better.
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gumbyover 5 years ago
These guys are trolling the NYT, right? It reminds me of an article a few years ago about the socks of &quot;Silicon Valley&quot; which was clearly a troll from someone in SF (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;02&#x2F;05&#x2F;fashion&#x2F;in-silicon-valley-socks-make-the-tech-entrepreneur.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;02&#x2F;05&#x2F;fashion&#x2F;in-silicon-valley...</a>)
songzmeover 5 years ago
The struggles of first world problems...
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goldenkeyover 5 years ago
I have used an herb Corydalis Yanhusuo [1] a dopamine D3 antagonist [2]. I buy the plum flower brand of tea pills [3] and take the normal recommended dose. It feels like anhedonia, relaxing, sort of similar to antipsychotics if you have ever taken anything like valproic acid. Don&#x27;t take an absurd much or you&#x27;ll get seratonin syndrome.<p>p.s. it is also a great non narcotic solution for pain relief, more effective than NSAIDs alone.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Corydalis_yanhusuo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Corydalis_yanhusuo</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dopamine_receptor_D3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dopamine_receptor_D3</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;amzn.to&#x2F;36LNdJa" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;amzn.to&#x2F;36LNdJa</a>
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neilobremskiover 5 years ago
I can&#x27;t say I agree with this (besides how silly it reads). Outright avoidance as a periodic tact sounds like jarring panacea. One day I wake up in a flood of sensations and the next day I stick my head in the sand? Where is the adaptation, the learning, the evolution?
antoniosover 5 years ago
Relevant (and maybe inspired this article):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;carnivoreaurelius.com&#x2F;dopamine-fast&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;carnivoreaurelius.com&#x2F;dopamine-fast&#x2F;</a>
mark_l_watsonover 5 years ago
Two of my friends just went on a five day retreat in which there was no talking and everyone had their own mini-cabin in the woods. This seems like prime dopamine fasting.
cestithover 5 years ago
So... they reinvented Shabbat?
chasd00over 5 years ago
isn&#x27;t this just the Straight Edge thing that was popular in the 90s? There&#x27;s a whole subculture for it.
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eaandkwover 5 years ago
So let me get this straight. People do a dopamine fast by avoiding anything that would be considered fun and enjoyable so that they can be completely rested and enjoy work more? Sounds like a bad trade off. We should probably just work less.
friendlybusover 5 years ago
Yay nihilism. &#x2F;s You can ascribe nearly anything to pleasure and dopamine. Never mind that a lot of people are addicted to facebook content partly because it generates a negative feeling.
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paloaltokidover 5 years ago
I liked this article. It seems like these guys are seeking some peace of mind during big time life stress.<p>It seems like they might enjoy meditating?
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gl00ppover 5 years ago
These guys are taking NNN too far.
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vhpoetover 5 years ago
Vipassana for people who can&#x27;t afford to leave San Francisco for 10 days.
naringasover 5 years ago
looks like a form of Ascetism <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Asceticism" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Asceticism</a>
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vboover 5 years ago
tl;dr hipsters identify niche, become urban monks
donquichotteover 5 years ago
So they invented 1-day weekends? Time to find investors!
vixen99over 5 years ago
Paywall
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ryandvmover 5 years ago
&gt; The other day, Mr. Sinka ran into an old friend but had to tell her they could not continue speaking.<p>&gt; “I hadn’t seen her in six months, and it was extraordinarily exciting, super-stimulating, and I could feel how excited I was,” he said. “So I had to cut it off and I just said, ‘Listen, it’s not you, it’s me, doing this dopamine fast.’”<p>If this were on HBO&#x27;s Silicon Valley, we would dismiss it as too over-the-top.
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beebmamover 5 years ago
This sounds extremely dangerous. Having low amounts of dopamine or even just a decreasing amount of dopamine can cause psychosis and Parkinson&#x27;s disease.<p>Don&#x27;t listen to this garbage without talking to your doctor first.
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