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Half an operating system: The triumph and tragedy of OS/2 (2013)

123 pointsby eaguyhnover 5 years ago

15 comments

shrubbleover 5 years ago
A couple things to add:<p>1. Microsoft got paid about $400 million for their work on OS&#x2F;2, supposedly, through to v1.3 .<p>Development of Windows through to v3.0 was much much less. It is safe to say that Microsoft made money from the partnership with IBM.<p>2. OS&#x2F;2 installation had a fatal flaw: if your PC had cache memory you had to disable it while the installer copied the files from floppy. It didn&#x27;t hurt install speed since floppies were the bottleneck but it was very confusing to the newbies to OS&#x2F;2 that IBM was trying to attract.<p>3. The Ziff-Davis magazines were pay-to-play in editorial content and they plugged Microsoft as being the better choice all the time. And pre-Internet they were a big source of information.
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mcguireover 5 years ago
&quot;<i>So a rogue group in Boca Raton, Florida—far away from IBM headquarters—was allowed to use a radical strategy to design and produce a machine using largely off-the-shelf parts and a third-party CPU, operating system, and programming languages.</i>&quot;<p>At IBM around this time, Boca Raton was known as the place where people who weren&#x27;t competent but couldn&#x27;t be convinced to leave were transferred.
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WalterBrightover 5 years ago
I liked OS&#x2F;2 and used it simply because it meant I could develop 16 bit code using a protected mode operating system, which made development much faster.<p>Only as the last step was it ported to real mode DOS.
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anon4242over 5 years ago
&gt; IBM rules about confidentiality meant that some Microsoft employees were unable to talk to other Microsoft employees without a legal translator between them.<p>Haha, this is so ironic. I&#x27;ve worked on projects for MS that were just the same. We had to have code names for their code names and a code name for MS itself. Even our own code names had to be uttered with caution. Maybe they learned from IBM? Edit: Thinking about it some more, maybe they really did. None of the other big tech companies we did work for were <i>that</i> secretive.
xvilkaover 5 years ago
There is Arca Noae[1], but I don&#x27;t know how successful their business is.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.arcanoae.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.arcanoae.com&#x2F;</a>
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pjmlpover 5 years ago
SOM was much more advanced than COM and nowadays it is almost impossible to find any documentation online.<p>WinRT is closer to it, but still lacks the metaclasses capabilities that SOM had.
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dangover 5 years ago
Discussed at the time: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6792010" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6792010</a><p>One comment from 2017: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14070102" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14070102</a>
majewskyover 5 years ago
(2013)<p>&gt; This story first ran in November 2013, and it appears unchanged below.
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eaguyhnover 5 years ago
I almost got to use OS&#x2F;2 for a commercial project.. we had fetch information from a PC desktop and feed it to an IBM mainframe while servicing up to two simultaneous users.<p>OS&#x2F;2 1.1 EE had EHLLAPI support but was still a few months from release and I couldn&#x27;t wait for it. I was really disappointed I didn&#x27;t get to explore it fully because first look was really impressive.<p>I ended up using DOS + DESQview, and it worked out fine.
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pmarreckover 5 years ago
OS&#x2F;2 was the most impressive &quot;prosumer&quot; OS of the time.<p>Wasn&#x27;t as impressed by anything else that was not from Apple or Microsoft except NeXTStep and BeOS.
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magoonover 5 years ago
Little-known fact: Windows of today is an entirely different OS than early DOS-based Windows because Microsoft took ownership of the 386-based “OS&#x2F;2 3.0” codebase it jointly developed with IBM, forming the foundation for Windows NT 3 which all modern Windows is based on. This gave them the huge head start in having a modern enterprise-grade operating system that allowed them to dominate the market.
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auditionover 5 years ago
This thread brings back the memories - I was an editor at a Ziff-Davis computer magazine back in the day.<p>Looking back on all this, the only lasting legacy I can identify is the linux windows emulation layer (wine), which exists only because Microsoft was required to make the Windows API public so it could be used by OS&#x2F;2.<p>Given the difficulty of getting an ancient version of Windows running on currently available hardware, linux&#x2F;wine is now the only practical way to run a lot of old Microsoft Windows application software. If it weren&#x27;t for wine (which was made possible by OS&#x2F;2), that application software would be unusable.
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Thorrezover 5 years ago
&gt;Long before operating systems got exciting names based on giant cats and towns in California named after dogs<p>What operating systems were named after towns in California named after dogs?
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ErikAugustover 5 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beta.trimread.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;552" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;beta.trimread.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;552</a>
radoover 5 years ago
I was a fan, but looking at the UI now, it&#x27;s too messy. Has any designer mocked up something like the OS&#x2F;2 UI, but good?
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