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Ask HN: Should I make a Facebook alternative?

10 pointsby ben85tsover 5 years ago
&quot;Prime directives&quot;<p>- Accessibility - Privacy - No ads<p>I know websites can exist that provide something of value without compromising what I would consider decent business&#x2F; operating ethics. Wikipedia, craigslist, etc. are massive, useful, and don&#x27;t make money by exploiting their users. I quit facebook a couple years ago for multiple reasons but I have yet to see a true blue replacement. Is it too big of an ask? What does a Facebook alternative look like to you?

9 comments

erikbrodchover 5 years ago
I&#x27;ll start by saying social is extremely exciting to do. I also agree there is a need for a FB alternative. But before you start, I&#x27;d highly recommend (can&#x27;t stress it enough) reading this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eugenewei.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2019&#x2F;2&#x2F;19&#x2F;status-as-a-service" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eugenewei.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2019&#x2F;2&#x2F;19&#x2F;status-as-a-service</a>. It&#x27;s the best read I found on social. I wish we had read it before trying to compete TikTok :)
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gvbover 5 years ago
There are facebook alternatives, none of which have become popular:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;alternativeto.net&#x2F;software&#x2F;facebook&#x2F;?license=opensource" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;alternativeto.net&#x2F;software&#x2F;facebook&#x2F;?license=opensou...</a><p>What are the alternatives lacking that you can supply which will make your facebook alternative popular?<p>Can you enhance one of the alternatives (and make it popular) rather than starting from scratch?
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muzaniover 5 years ago
There&#x27;s a few going on. None are Facebook, they&#x27;re unique in their own way.<p>WT.social seems to take a lot from its wiki roots, such as editing other people&#x27;s posts. They make money just from donations.<p>Cocoon goes more personal. It&#x27;s not about having a thousand friends. They&#x27;re more a subscription model and can&#x27;t exploit users.<p>I&#x27;m working at one too. It&#x27;s something community based. You don&#x27;t post to your own wall. You post to communities - a residential area, geographic location. We&#x27;ve had gaming groups and schools onboard; it&#x27;s easier and cheaper to reach out than with Facebook and less intrusive than WhatsApp. It started off fairly serious but we&#x27;re seeing more Instagram style selfies and Tik Tok videos. We monetize by selling community based services like condominium management.<p>This is just off the top of my head in 2019. There&#x27;s probably some stealth mode ones going up in the near future. I wouldn&#x27;t ve surprised if we see 50 more alternatives by 2025.<p>I think the important thing is not to make something ad based (which incentivizes addictiveness and privacy violations) and not to focus too much on network effects (which incentivizes monopolistic behaviour).
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SirLotsaLocksover 5 years ago
I&#x27;d love to see something like this, but in my opinion, there is a reason why none have turned up. It costs a lot of money to run a social network, and people aren&#x27;t willing to pay to use a social network. That means you&#x27;re going to have to either rely on advertisements or donations. it&#x27;s hard to run on donations unless you are large because people mostly don&#x27;t donate, and many that do only donate a bit. and ads are out so unless you have a reliable plan you are going to be bleeding money and eventually die, or get bought.
bjourneover 5 years ago
It must be decentralized. Any social network in which I have to put faith in a single party is not good. Look into ZeroNet: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;zeronet.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;zeronet.io&#x2F;</a> Either that technology or something similar could be used to create a distributed social network.
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salukiover 5 years ago
&quot;Here are some odds, if you’re building just a simple company to charge a few people, what are the odds of that being a success? 1:5, 1:10 I don’t know. But the odds of you building the next Facebook or MySpace are probably not 1:10, if it was I wouldn’t be giving this speech, I’d be trying to make the next Facebook.&quot; - @DHH StartupSchoolTalk 2008<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=0CDXJ6bMkMY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=0CDXJ6bMkMY</a><p>This is still one of my favorite talks.
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whb07over 5 years ago
How can you have a social network that is privacy first? Isn’t that an oxymoron?
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ben85tsover 5 years ago
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danielbraunover 5 years ago
Good luck making money then