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We Only Hire the Trendiest (2016)

351 pointsby eaguyhnover 5 years ago

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tptacekover 5 years ago
Last night on Twitter, someone said &quot;Nearly every entrepreneur I talk so says hiring is their biggest challenge. The world is starving for competent people with a strong work-ethic.&quot;<p>This is of course false. The world is not starving for competent people. It&#x27;s starving for high-status resumes. If those resumes are attached to people who are competent or hard workers, that&#x27;s a bonus.<p>The high-status resumes without that affiliation will be no less effective; their associated human will no doubt wash out of a series of roles when it becomes clear that they&#x27;re neither &quot;smart&quot; or &quot;gets things done&quot;, but in most of the industry it takes so long for that process to run to completion that resume status accrues to those failed roles, and those people have an easier time finding their next role, failing upwards until one assumes they reach management somewhere and perpetuate the cycle.<p>Erin, Patrick, and I tried to do a company to exploit this phenomenon and it was not a success; even the smartest, most engaged teams we worked with were a <i>brick fucking wall</i> when it came to resume status filters. So much so that I was happy just to walk away from it and work with some friends to boot up another company that hires in a more effective way and exploit the phenomenon directly, rather than trying to end it.<p>I guess I&#x27;m saying I agree strongly with Dan Luu when he quotes me as saying that smaller companies that hire like this are playing to lose.<p>I conclude with the immortal words of Herman Blume: &quot;Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can&#x27;t buy backbone. Don&#x27;t let them forget it.&quot;
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throwaway444010over 5 years ago
&gt; When I&#x27;ve compared notes with folks who attended schools like Utah and Boise State, their education is basically the same as mine.<p>I work at one of the well-known tech companies, and what I’ve noticed among most software engineers and data scientists is that they don’t really care about your background as long as you can do the work. Which is really nice; whenever I interview candidates, I don’t notice much correlation between the school they attended and their interview performance.<p><i>However</i>, the pure research division at this company is totally different. There appears to be a very heavy emphasis placed on the school attended. I was a bit miffed one day because I overheard one of the AI researchers saying “everyone knows there is a huge difference in caliber between the students that attended Stanford and Berkeley for CS and those that attended Georgia Tech”. As someone who attended GT and has a research background, this rubbed me the wrong way. There were also a few disparaging comments about the South in general. Even if there is a difference between the schools (at the graduate level), I would imagine the Bell curves can’t be <i>that</i> far apart from each other. It’s not like 90% of the students that attended Stanford are brighter than 90% that attended CMU.
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plughsover 5 years ago
One frustration I&#x27;ve had recently is the number of companies encouraging or requiring code in the public sphere. They want to see open-source contributions or an active and impressive personal github page. If your employer is protective of their IP ( mine is ) and&#x2F;or you are not willing to spend evenings and and weekends on pet projects, you are out of the running.<p>Also<p>&gt;But if you think programmers aren&#x27;t elitist, try wearing a suit and tie to an interview sometime.<p>If I had my way this would be considered employment discrimination and grounds for a lawsuit. At minimum it blatantly discriminates against national origin, expecting an engineer fresh from Nigeria to understand these secret &#x27;culture&#x27; norms. Age? Race? Religion? Is a Muslim woman wearing a hijab going have any chance of making it past the first phone interview? I have my doubts.
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jkapturover 5 years ago
&gt; You see a lot of talk about moneyball, but for some reason people are less excited about… trainingball? Practiceball? Whatever you want to call taking people who aren&#x27;t “the best” and teaching them how to be “the best”.<p>I think this is the biggest insight in the article, and the one that&#x27;s gotten the least traction, both here in this thread and in SWE culture more broadly.<p>This industry doesn&#x27;t have a clear way to transmit knowledge and practices, and it DEFINITELY doesn&#x27;t have a way to do so at scale. HN will debate about interviews (no wait! take-home tests! no wait! ..) all day long, but when it comes to how to make someone a senior SWE, we don&#x27;t have anything other than 1) set up your dev environment (ideally the same way as I did) 2) dive in for a couple years.
mharrounover 5 years ago
The sad reality is often startups are started by smart but inexperianced founders. They hire smart and hardworking but again inexperianced senior leaders or employees who get promoted into senior leaders.<p>If the company then is sucessfull enough to grow&#x2F;scale they need to put in formal processes and hire departments.<p>This inexperianced managment team often tries to cut and paste processes and demands large companies have. &quot;They are super successful so we should copy that!!!&quot;. However what they fail to see is that&#x27;s a process of a giant unicorn... and theres no way for them to truly follow there process or pay the premiums needed to support it. Thoes unicorns grew on completely different processes&#x2F;tech&#x2F;people. This leads to the broken disjointed processes and expectations I see in most startups.
rb808over 5 years ago
I worked on a big C# system with hundreds of windows servers, developed on Visual Studio etc. It was an awesome project and everything worked like clockwork. However there are very few projects using that technology so when I wanted to move I had trouble getting interviews.<p>I&#x27;m now working with a very fashionable tech stack, its horrible, infrastructure is regularly broken, people can&#x27;t trace problems easily, our functionality is still not as good as what we had in the earlier project 10 years ago. Still because we&#x27;re trendy we get paid 2x as much and I get asked to apply elsewhere all the time.<p>I&#x27;ve given up trying to pick what is the best software platform&#x2F;language. Just find the highest profile tech company and stick with what they do. Not only are they hiring but all the companies who copy that tech stack want the same.
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Ididntdothisover 5 years ago
I think this is spot on. When I started in the 90s hiring was more like “you are smart so you will be able to learn”. Now it seems you really have to chase the latest cool stuff all the time or you quickly are marked as outdated. What they don’t seem to understand is that if you are the cool hotshot that’s working on an important project for a while you are almost by definition outdated after a while because you will not work on the latest hot tech. Realistically the best way to deal with is to do resume driven development and have constant churn by replacing frameworks and databases constantly just for the heck of it.<p>Even better is to either have a degree from a fancy school or having the name of a currently cool company on your resume but be aware that the currently cool company may fall out of favor any time.
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dkhenryover 5 years ago
For the specific example given I have turned down many individuals who sound like they have a similar background because they could not figure out how to work outside of their toolchain. I see it all the time with .NET and Java developers, if they are not in Visual Studios or Eclipse they don&#x27;t know how to even compile their software. Both those ecosystems are fantastic and developers can be very productive, especially in an enterprise setting, but it is rare you can take a .NET developer put them in front of Python or Go and have them actually be able to be productive without extensive training.<p>Which leads to the second problem. Fenerally I have found a lot of the Enterprise developers to be very resistant to training and change. They don&#x27;t know how to deal with a world where they have to be responsible for the entire software project not just one small module, and they definitely don&#x27;t know how to deal with any part of operations like deploying the software or troubleshooting problems. As soon as something goes wrong they blame the tech stack and pine for the days when they could just push a button on Visual Studios and have everything build and test for them without actually understanding what was going on.
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hogFeastover 5 years ago
One story that I always remember is a company in financial services. They only hire Oxbridge. For decades, 95% of the senior staff went to Oxbridge. They were, according to themselves, the elite.<p>Unf, and maybe not surprisingly, they are infamous for blowing up every few years. You name the hot, new trend...they will be balls deep and a few years from total destruction.<p>After going &quot;all-in&quot; on Japan in 1989, they were feeling a bit sheepish and decided to do something extraordinary: hire a poor person. The guy they hired went to the local uni, very smart, and the definition of self-starter&#x2F;independent thinker. Within three years, he was out. Hired instantly somewhere else, and went on to make tens of millions (retired in late-40s).<p>The point is: actual ability does not matter to 99% of companies. This guy was one of the most able employees possible, he could have made literally billions for his first employer but that didn&#x27;t stop him getting canned because he was an independent thinker (despite only hiring from Oxbridge, this company is known for having a &quot;group-think&quot; culture...work that one out). You can definitely make money from this inefficiency - turning 0xers into 1xers - but most companies are actively choosing not to do this.<p>I know of another company in the same industry that hires front office staff out of a single pool that rotates through operations&#x2F;sales&#x2F;marketing&#x2F;etc. Pretty much exclusively hire from non-targets, focus heavily on training&#x2F;teamwork. They have acquired pretty much all of the competition local to me: they come in, fire all the Oxbridge guys, and move their teams in. In the 80s, they managed a few million. Now they manage half a trillion.<p>This model works...but try telling someone that went to an elite uni that they could hire someone with half the training, at half the cost, and get (at least) the same result...they will never believe that (and, unf, tech has almost the same dynamic as finance where some people believe that having a certain piece of paper means you are better at everything).
loftyaiover 5 years ago
Does anyone else find it out that the people (recruiters) in charge of finding good tech talent often have no experience in programming themselves? So, my question is how do they know if someone is a good programmer?<p>If all they do is read the resume, then we know, based on other people&#x27;s comments here, that it&#x27;s clearly not good enough of a method to find the best talent. So, if this is the case, why do we keep relying on recruiters to find us talent?
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ChrisMarshallNYover 5 years ago
This was a fun read.<p>It hits the nail on the head, but no one has any interest in changing the status quo.<p>If they did, it would change.<p>After encountering a ration of this kind of stuff, I tossed my &quot;Buzzword Bingo&quot; card in the trash, and set up my own gig.<p>Disappointing, but that&#x27;s good ol&#x27; human nature. As long as folks keep getting A-rounds, there&#x27;s no incentive to change.
z3t4over 5 years ago
You need to present yourself as whatever image the employer&#x2F;recruiter has in her&#x2F;his head. For example my old employer thought that people who had their heir in a certain way was more structured and would be a better manager. Or the company might want do diversify, so they look for someone that is <i>different</i>. So in the end I think it&#x27;s mostly about luck unless you are very good at figuring these things out.
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sakopovover 5 years ago
&gt; They have a few experienced hires, but not many, and most of their experienced hires have something trendy on their resume, not a boring old company like Microsoft<p>Is this how Microsoft is perceived on the coasts? Here in the Midwest if you get a chance to work at Google, Microsoft and Amazon you&#x27;ve pretty much &quot;made it&quot; in your career.
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danansover 5 years ago
&gt; Unlike me, he doesn&#x27;t know a lot of folks at trendy companies, so I passed his resume around to some engineers I know at companies that are desperately hiring. My engineering friends thought Mike&#x27;s resume was fine, but most recruiters rejected him in the resume screening phase.<p>I agree with the overall premise that people with particular trendy areas of knowledge get more noticed, but in my experience, a strong enough recommendation from an engineer on the inside can easily override a recruiter screening checklist, and it sounds like your friend has enough experience to warrant a technical phone screen at the least.<p>I wonder if your engineer contacts at the company in question didn&#x27;t feel as strongly about the candidate as you did, and hence weren&#x27;t willing to expend the capital needed to override the recruiter.<p>That raises the question: are you willing to spend the capital to convince them to do so on your friend&#x27;s behalf? I mean by talking to them and convincing them. If this article is the attempt to do that, I&#x27;m not so sure it is properly directed.<p>&gt; Wisconsin&#x27;s rank as an engineering school comes from having professors who do great research which is, at best, weakly correlated to effectiveness at actually teaching undergrads. Despite getting the same engineering education you could get at hundreds of other schools, I had a very easy time getting interviews and finding a great job.<p>Ah yes, the reputation cartel of elite universities. This is a situation as old as formal education, and exacerbated by the cost of higher education and the inequality of opportunity in early education.<p>A solution to this is making <i>quality</i> public education from primary through University affordable and accessible to all working class people, just as was done for a specific subset of working-class people in the decades after world war II. That was the original purpose of the public university system after all - the wealthy had their system of private colleges.<p>Instead, the public university system has turned more to the model of elite private universities, which was more about burnishing credentials in order to retain the position in the class that you were born into. Hence the coining of the phrase &quot;elite public university&quot;.
peterwwillisover 5 years ago
Here&#x27;s what recruiters see: 1) Oh, it&#x27;s not the same tech stack, our client isn&#x27;t going to want to look at this, 2) This person either can&#x27;t dedicate themselves to one career or is taking any job they can find. And the client sees 3) Our past contractors have built the crappiest products that aren&#x27;t in sync with our patterns.<p>I basically work for RegularCo. And I can tell you, the one person they don&#x27;t need any more of is a &quot;Chad&quot;. They have so many &quot;Chads&quot;. I&#x27;m sure you know one; white hetero male, 20s-30s, christian&#x2F;atheist, good education, lots of opportunity, all using the same tech stacks that follow the same trends, no leadership experience, hyper-focused on technology rather than what it&#x27;s being used to accomplish. If they have SV experience it&#x27;s usually for a higher-paying, trendier job than they advertise for. They&#x27;re obsessed with the best practice, the latest and greatest, and they get visibly upset when this isn&#x27;t the case. RegularCo just wants to ship something.<p>All recruiters would send us is &quot;Chads&quot;. We&#x27;d beg (and even threaten) them not to send any more god damn &quot;Chads&quot;, and still that&#x27;s all we got. We&#x27;d even look for alternatives on personal time.<p>You know who we wanted? Old, queer people of color. Junior People with 15+ years experience. People just getting their start. People with diverse backgrounds. People hungry to learn and build things. And most importantly, compassionate, ethical, sane people who want to cooperate and get things done. It is depressing how hard this is to find.<p>RegularCo isn&#x27;t based in California or SV, doesn&#x27;t need to impress VCs, and almost nothing they&#x27;d use is trendy. They&#x27;re a regular company that uses regular tech to make products. But they don&#x27;t want to hire another &quot;Chad&quot;. Unfortunately, they have to hire <i>somebody</i>, so they end up settling for &quot;Chad&quot; after holding out for a year.<p>Ultimately, what the recruiter wants is different from what the company as a whole wants, and may be different than what a specific team may want. A single resume may get passed around within a company a dozen times over a year until somebody has the budget and timing to hire them. It&#x27;s really stupid and there&#x27;s no simple solution for it.
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adamcover 5 years ago
This focus on key-words is brain-damaged. Tech details (keywords) come and go; what matters is the ability to learn them, make good decisions, get work done.<p>Recruiters have an excuse, in that they are largely ignorant. But the tech managers using them have less of an excuse.
mcguireover 5 years ago
&quot;<i>Google bigwigs regularly talk about the hiring data they have and what hasn&#x27;t worked. I believe they talked about how focusing on top schools wasn&#x27;t effective and didn&#x27;t turn up employees that have better performance years ago, but that doesn&#x27;t stop TrendCo from focusing hiring efforts on top schools.</i>&quot;<p>As far as I know, that doesn&#x27;t stop Google from focusing hiring efforts on top schools.<p>Anyway, I&#x27;m actually wondering about the future. Suppose you are one of the people hired out of school for $200k+. What happens in 10 or 15 years when you are no longer the shiny new thing, don&#x27;t have the trendy skills, and have been working for boring companies? Do you still command a 2× salary (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ziprecruiter.com&#x2F;Salaries&#x2F;What-Is-the-Average-Software-Engineer-Salary-by-State" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ziprecruiter.com&#x2F;Salaries&#x2F;What-Is-the-Average-So...</a>)? Reversion to the mean? Salary cuts?
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etxmover 5 years ago
&gt;But if you think programmers aren&#x27;t elitist, try wearing a suit and tie to an interview sometime.<p>My first interview at a startup I was coming from an east coast finance and healthcare engineering background.<p>I wore a suit to the interview.<p>At the end of the interview the hiring manager said “we are going to make you and offer, but don’t come back in a suit go buy some comfortable clothes.”
zwiebackover 5 years ago
I always have a hard time deciding whether it&#x27;s sour grapes or an actual problem when I read these posts. The mid tier startups should all be flushed out in a few years if they make such poor decisions, both in hiring and their tech stacks. For the giants I can only say - google and fb stuff works, even if you don&#x27;t like their culture or morals so how wrong can they be in running their businesses? Over the next few years I&#x27;m assuming that the industry as a whole will mature and things will become more stable and sane.
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pcwaltonover 5 years ago
For those curious like I was as to when this was published, this is from March 2016. (The date isn&#x27;t listed in the article, but if you search through the archive you can find it.)
abvdaskerover 5 years ago
This perspective reminds me a lot of the philosophy behind moneyball. You pay for players who are likely undervalued, not necessarily the highest valued players, because the highest valued players are too expensive for a smaller team to get when competing with the Yankees or the Red Sox. I think this probably applies to eng hiring.
dangover 5 years ago
A thread from 2017: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15591441" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15591441</a><p>Discussed at the time: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11326940" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=11326940</a>
annoyingnoobover 5 years ago
I&#x27;m guessing that Mike may also be considered too old.
throwaway1afover 5 years ago
&gt; &quot;who was tragically underemployed for years because of his low GPA in college. We declined to hire him and I was told that his low GPA meant that he couldn&#x27;t be very smart&quot;<p>I need some advice related to this. Years ago, I started undergrad at a top school and had a full ride. Unfortunately, I fell ill, which lead me to fail most of my classes. After losing the scholarship, I dropped out, started a few companies, and made enough to pay for my education. This time around my grades are great, but my GPA is still trash.<p>I&#x27;m terrified I&#x27;m going to be judged and overlooked because of this.<p>Do you all have any suggestions as to how I should deal with this when approaching employers?
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_bxg1over 5 years ago
My diagnosis is that <i>almost nobody knows how to hire programmers</i>. Recruiters don&#x27;t know how to hire programmers. MBAs certainly don&#x27;t know how to hire programmers. Even many programmers don&#x27;t know how to hire programmers. Good programming sense is an art, and it&#x27;s really hard to evaluate it in someone else without truly grasping it yourself.<p>So in the absence of real criteria, like a poorly-trained ML model everyone just latches on to superficial signifiers that have worked out in the past, and that local maximum probably gives them slightly-better-than-random outcomes, even if it&#x27;s far below what it could be.
Cymenover 5 years ago
Is contracting on your resume really so bad? I recently made the jump from FTE to contracting because I&#x27;ve always wanted to and it&#x27;s great. The compensation is higher and I can work the way I want to (put in a ton of effort to get something done, get paid for actual time put in and then move on to the next thing or take a break for a while to play with my two young kids).
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TimTheTinkerover 5 years ago
Should be marked &quot;(2016)&quot;.<p>Reference: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;*&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;danluu.com&#x2F;programmer-moneyball&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;*&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;danluu.com&#x2F;programmer-m...</a>
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tracker1over 5 years ago
I&#x27;d say look outside the SV area... I&#x27;d be surprised to see this in say Phoenix or Austin, while it&#x27;s probably more common on NorCal or Seattle.
theonionknightover 5 years ago
As a current CS student how should I take this article? Only focus on the most popular languages and disregard anything that doesn’t fit as “trendy”?
mdipover 5 years ago
This was a great read and I&#x27;ve seen this kind of thing first-hand at a few companies I&#x27;ve worked&#x2F;interviewed at.<p>&gt; Wear a suit and tie to an interview<p>That&#x27;s a personal test of mine. I have <i>never</i> showed up to an interview without a tie. My dad was a small business owner in a manufacturing sector -- he was the hiring manager -- everything I learned about job interviewing I learned from him and the first thing on his list -- being a previous generation in an industry outside of software development -- was &quot;you wear a tie&quot;. There were various reasons given for this. Maybe its the area that I live in, but I&#x27;ve never had difficulty explaining away the tie whereas I know of a few folks in the area who, despite the environment being stricly &quot;dress-down&quot;, still expect interviewee&#x27;s to wear a tie[0].<p>It&#x27;s easy to write off with a little transparency and careful humor: &quot;Sorry for being over-dressed. My dad was a business owner and somewhat beat into my head that dressing up for an interview communicates that you want the job. Plus, I love Jerry Garcia ties and have far too many of them for how few opportunities there actually are to wear a suit.&quot; Nobody wants to be judged negatively about their appearance, but we tend to make sweeping judgements on that single variable alone -- by adding a little additional information, you eliminate the rabbit-hole of &quot;is this guy going to be a rigid pain-in-the-ass about everything because he insists on over-dressing for an interview?&quot; with &quot;he&#x27;s actively trying to make a good impression&quot;<p>Another thing that tends to get lost in the whole &quot;are they a good culture fit&quot; is &quot;is your culture all that great in the first place?&quot; When interviewing people, shortly after determining that a candidate might actually be able to do the job, we tend to fall right into &quot;Will I actually want to work with this person day-to-day&quot;. Someone who doesn&#x27;t fit perfectly into that mold will cause anxiety. But what if the thing that &quot;didn&#x27;t fit with my teams&#x27; culture&quot; is something that your team would benefit from? At a recent job, I was told that the ultimate decision for every employee being hired fell to the founders of the company in consultation with the people who interviewed the developer[1]. The question we&#x27;re asked is &quot;How will this person make us better?&quot; It sounds fluffy, but it changes how you think about a candidate -- it says &quot;I&#x27;m hiring not just to fill a need, but to bring this individual, along with their life experiences, into a team with the goal of all of us improving.&quot;<p>As far as the &quot;personal test of mine&quot; is concerned, I&#x27;m perfectly OK with being passed on for a job where my tie and explanation didn&#x27;t satisfy the interviewer that I was a good fit. Chances are one of two things really happened (1) I wasn&#x27;t right for the job for a lot of other reasons, but that&#x27;s the one that was presented (if any were, at all) or (2) a place that would judge me negatively on something so unimportant is a company I&#x27;m going to have a difficult time understanding and succeeding in.<p>[0] This is <i>stupid</i> bit it happens. It&#x27;s unlikely to disqualify someone, outright, but at these shops, a tie is a plus.<p>[1] And after a year of being there, I did a few solo interviews and can confirm that &quot;it&#x27;s true!&quot;
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praptakover 5 years ago
This is from 2016.
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ssbsvvvover 5 years ago
Why not just lie in the resume to contain the most &quot;trendiest&quot; tech. Anyway, most questions would be of general system design for Sr Devs.
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systematicalover 5 years ago
Php developers use back door
cjf4over 5 years ago
&gt;When I started programming, I heard a lot about how programmers are down to earth, not like those elitist folks who have uniforms involving suits and ties. You can even wear t-shirts to work! But if you think programmers aren&#x27;t elitist, try wearing a suit and tie to an interview sometime.<p>Indeed: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20140618142018&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.42floors.com&#x2F;interviewing-at-a-startup&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20140618142018&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.42floo...</a>
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ossworkerrightsover 5 years ago
“ Contractors are generally not the strongest technically” huh?
nsfyn55over 5 years ago
Is it really the trendiness?<p>Here is what would be going through my mind...<p>&gt; Why after investing 11 years in Mike did Microsoft decide to let Mike go?<p>People are tremendously expensive to a business. Losing 11 years of IP is a nightmare scenario. This would be a clear red flag for me as a hiring manager.<p>My second question would be...<p>&gt; Does Mike&#x27;s resume look like he&#x27;s kept up on what&#x27;s current? If not could that be why Microsoft let Mike go?<p>The only question I am asking when I hire someone is. Where can I put them on day one. If I can&#x27;t see where a person fits in then I&#x27;m not going to hire them. The worst thing you can tell me in an interview is &quot;I&#x27;m willing to learn&quot;. Great so is everyone else. What I want to hear is &quot;This is the state of the market, this is what I know now, these are the things I should know, this is how I plan to know them&quot; and &quot;what do I need to know to meet your needs on day one&quot;<p>&gt;Mike has worked on systems that can handle multiple orders of magnitude more load, but his experience is, apparently, irrelevant.<p>No one really cares. I don&#x27;t care if Mike was on the nasa team that sent men to the moon. Tremendous achievement, useless to me right now. I care about what he can do right now. Does Mike have the answer to the QPS problem right now? If he can why isn&#x27;t he there right now pitching them the solution.<p>There is no earned comfort anymore. You don&#x27;t stick with the company long enough to get the good parking spot. No one cares what you did yesterday they only care about what you can do today? If Mike is on board with these values and is keeping pace with the skill demands of the market then I don&#x27;t think he&#x27;ll have any problem finding a job at TrendCo or anywhere else. If Mike thinks he&#x27;s owed something for the time he put in at Microsoft then I suspect he&#x27;s in for a rough go.
jdmoreiraover 5 years ago
I&#x27;m sorry but I find it very hard to believe that someone with &quot;11 years in industry&quot; would have any trouble finding a job in this market unless there is something extremely wrong with that person. You don’t create a network of personal relationships with other professionals in 11 years? That’s crazy!
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