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Many Japanese children refuse to go to school

228 pointsby lnguyenover 5 years ago

25 comments

oddityover 5 years ago
If you&#x27;re a kid and do the cost&#x2F;benefit analysis, going to school looks like a dumb decision and a huge opportunity cost for time that could otherwise be used for things with known reward (playing). Bullying, exams, homework, sleep disruption, etc is all cost.<p>What does the <i>student</i> believe they get they out of it? The pathway from school to job is nebulous to young kids who don&#x27;t yet need money to live. As kids get older and gain knowledge but not respect or autonomy, the school to job pathway looks more and more arbitrary and unnecessary (the common question of &quot;But when am I actually going to use this?&quot; I remember hearing often in school).<p>Maybe there&#x27;s the benefit of finding friends, but now they have the internet from a young age, and I think the social justification has evaporated. Why bother forming friend circles with people you must talk to, when you can find friend circles from a larger pool with people you want to talk to?<p>For many (most?) kids, it doesn&#x27;t seem like they, individually, have a reason to go to school. Instead, their parents have a reason and the kids&#x27; only reason is to not anger their parents.
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emanuerover 5 years ago
My 9 years old son has refused to go to his public Tokyo school for two years now. I am from a German speaking country and the idea of a child not to attend school is absolutely unimaginable. His mother (Japanese) has always insisted that this is not uncommon in Japan. His head-teachers also insured me that this is not uncommon. As I am not living in Japan I had to accept these circumstances.<p>I was somewhat calmed by the knowledge that the school provided counseling and other dedicated programs for the development of my son. I thought the counselors cared quite well for him, when I was allowed to witness sessions.<p>When I took my son to my home country for two months he transformed. He was quiet and reclusive in the first weeks, but turned into a much more playful, outspoken and socially interested young boy towards the end.<p>Since then I discovered that his mother has been hiding a worsening mental illness from me. This affected my son greatly, he felt the need to care for her. He even has hundreds of YouTube videos in his history explaining children of what to do when your parent is mentally unwell — discovering this really broke my heart.<p>Per my request, my son was taken into the custody of the Japanese child protective services 3 months ago and I am currently in Japan fighting for sole custody of him.<p>My tale is a single data point, but I have come to believe the many stories of mental problems of Japanese children and young adults are not solely attributable to the pressures of society. I rather believe that mental health problems being a taboo in Japan may be the root of many problems.<p>Per my understanding it is incredibly shameful to admit to mental health problems and doing so brings serious ramifications.<p>So, if my hypothesis is correct, parents in Japan are more likely to go untreated and their children suffer the effects, perpetuating the cycle.<p>In our case, the school—very subtly—tried to inform me about their worries concerning his mothers mental health problems without ever speaking about it directly. They only spoke freely when a court appointed expert demanded them to.<p>My son has an entire network of child psychologist, youth counselors and also me waiting for him in my home country, who will all encourage him to treat mental health like physical health; Everyone gets sick sometimes. For the body you take antibiotics, for the mind you take time of to become aware of what is happening. You seek professional help in both situations and being depressed, is a shameful as getting the flu, not at all.
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andreygrehovover 5 years ago
When I was a kid and lived in Ukraine (my home country), I went to a home school. Tutoring happened at a teacher&#x27;s home. Each class was 4-6 people max. Such were the rules. They hired teachers from the same neighborhood so that kids could easily walk from one teacher&#x27;s place to another. Sometimes we had to take a bus. It was amazing. Obviously, zero bullying and stuff like that. After class, we could get some fresh air while walking from Math class to, say, English class. Since people&#x27;s homes are very different from each other, it was also fun. There was no &quot;standard&quot; school interior so to speak. We also had a better &quot;connection&quot; with our teachers. At home, everyone felt safe and teachers were kind, calm and al that. Sometimes a teacher could bake a pie for us or something similar. It was cool.<p>I live in New York now and we found a somewhat similar school for our kids. The entire school has 15-17 students. Each class has 3-4 students max. Tutoring happens at a multi-family house, which is also a place where the principal of the school lives. My kids LOVE the school. They celebrate every single birthday of each other, with cakes, gifts and al that. They visit theaters, museums, movie theaters, farms, zoos, you name it. They also do classes that are not popular in US, like Geography, Biology and they want to add Chess and Yoga. My older one is 5 years old, he f#cking wants to travel. He wants to visit Paris, London, Romania.<p>I can talk forever about our kids school, but to finish my comment, I&#x27;m a believer that this type of &quot;semi-decentralized&quot; education is the right path. I could be wrong though, but so far, it works out great.
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lauriegover 5 years ago
A friend of mine teaches middle school in Japan and he recounted this story of a parent teacher meeting.<p>A girl, who was by all accounts a decent student, had not been doing some of her homework recently. He brought it up in a casual and supportive way. The mother busy into tears and apologised profusely, exclaiming that she was so sorry for sending such a terrible didn&#x27;t to this teacher&#x27;s class etc. As this goes on the daughter now starts crying in response.<p>My friend said this is a scene repeated again and again. Enormous amounts of pressure from both the parents and the teachers (he is something of an exception) is crushing children.
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nabla9over 5 years ago
&gt; In Japan, more and more children are refusing to go to school, a phenomenon called &quot;futoko&quot;<p>Articles about Japan always bring up Japanese names for things. What is the reason for this?<p>You don&#x27;t usually see the same for other countries: In German more and more children are lonely, a phenomenon called &quot;die Einsamkeit&quot;.
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jopsenover 5 years ago
&gt; In some cases they even decide on the colour of pupils&#x27; underwear.<p>Wow, Not to be judgmental, but maybe Japanese schools are a bit too strict...<p>I&#x27;ve never seen evidence that strict discipline creates good humans. Last I checked modern pedagogy teaches us otherwise.
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ArcMexover 5 years ago
If I could go back, would I attend school again? Yes but not for 18 years. Six maybe. There are things that I learned from school that I appreciate so I am not against going to school completely. This is similar to how I feel about my desk job. I am not opposed to working 4 hour shifts from Mon to Wed over a period of 10 years max.
gexlaover 5 years ago
I have been recently taking a break after a long hard project which took up most of my time. Now I pretty much do whatever I feel like from the start of my day. Luckily I have enough small, easy work to pay the bills while I figure out what I would like to be doing longer term.<p>The free school in this article seems to match what I&#x27;m doing for &quot;work&quot; now. The more strict, controlling school with controlling parents is a closer fit to what I was doing previously. Maybe it&#x27;s the parents and the parent&#x27;s system which is broken.
adrianmonkover 5 years ago
Wow, this jogged a very long dormant memory of a record I used to have when I was a kid: &quot;The Boy Who Would Not Go To School&quot; (available on YouTube: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=eBjv0CLtd7g" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=eBjv0CLtd7g</a>).<p>Which is apparently kind of a (vinyl) audiobook adaptation of the 1935 classic children&#x27;s book &quot;Robert Francis Weatherbee&quot;.
whiddershinsover 5 years ago
I tried as hard as I could not to go to school, beginning with second grade.<p>In retrospect I <i>maybe</i> wish I had done an advanced degree, but avoiding junior high and high school still seems the rational choice.
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m4r35n357over 5 years ago
The title says &quot;children&quot;, people!<p>10 year olds, NOT college students.
unsignedintover 5 years ago
Here&#x27;s my anecdotal view on Japanese school. I have attended one from 1st to 2&#x2F;3 into 7th grade (or 1st year of middle school) before I moved out to the States.<p>School in Japan (and to extent the society) really focus any students not standing out in a group. I was always considered by teachers, and peers, that was &quot;different&quot; from others. (Basically I Was kind of guy who would be left out when asked to &quot;make a pair&quot; in odd numbers.)<p>Fortunately, I could survive, as I wasn&#x27;t really bullied much (happened time to time) and had small group of good friends, some support from someone older at school, and also befriended with some of teachers. Despite of this, feeling that I&#x27;m the one who can&#x27;t blend in, that sense of shame and frustration was always reinforced. Without support, I would have had taken alternative way of school to be honest. (and to this day, it just gives me chill how bad things could have been if I actually had to stay in school in Japan for the rest of my education and beyond...)<p>School system in the US is not that greatest thing either, however, at least people left me alone for how I am. I attended to Japanese supplemental school on Saturdays (that I was nearly forced to attend) for a little more than two years and I didn&#x27;t enjoy it for the same reasons I had problem with school in Japan.
m3kw9over 5 years ago
Asian school tend to have super high workloads even during summer holidays they give you work to work over your Holiday. The pressure is immense as they rate you from first to last, and parents do not like their kids to be in the last 75%, let alone last. They see it as a disgrace to the family. Sadly someone’s got to be back there. The pressure is immense. This is just a single point amongst others I don’t have time to type
adamseaover 5 years ago
&quot;Many schools in Japan control every aspect of their pupils&#x27; appearance, forcing pupils to dye their brown hair black, or not allowing pupils to wear tights or coats, even in cold weather. In some cases they even decide on the colour of pupils&#x27; underwear.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-asia-50693777" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-asia-50693777</a>
Edward9over 5 years ago
Maybe it&#x27;s time for a global reform on schools&#x27; approach. I see more and more that children aren&#x27;t willing to attend school. And I think that&#x27;s because the approach is the same in the past 30-40 years, at least in my country, Nothing changes, the literature is the same, the teaching methods are the same. I feel that there&#x27;s a need of change.
timwaaghover 5 years ago
school is pretty terrible. if it wasn&#x27;t for my parents being as strict as they were i would have let go way before uni. personally i&#x27;d rather see the whole system scrapped. it&#x27;s easy to single out japan as its system has some very particular demands. but the fundamental flaws don&#x27;t stop at borders.
292929292over 5 years ago
At one point or another, the human race is collectively going to have to admit that schooling has reached absurdity. Unless you were a monarch or a very wealthy aristocrat, the amount of schooling that children across the world receive today is entirely unprecedented. Using US children as an example, look back 100 years ago from now. Only about 60% of US children were enrolled in school, the number of days in a median school year was about 120 (as opposed to 180), and the median 25 year old only completed 8.2 years of schooling (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nces.ed.gov&#x2F;pubs93&#x2F;93442.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nces.ed.gov&#x2F;pubs93&#x2F;93442.pdf</a>).<p>With that in mind, take a look at this list.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Education_Index" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Education_Index</a><p>In the US, the number of years spent in school on average is now 13.2. In 100 years, the number of school days has increased by (13.2 * 180) - (8.2 * 120) = 1392 days.<p>Now consider the life of a modern US child. It is already decided before they&#x27;re born that they will spend 9 hours a day (8 at school, 1 for HW), 5 days a week, for ~13 years of their youth in an office environment. In this office environment, children are expected to be quiet and stationary for the wide majority of that time. If a child disobeys, it will be recorded on several surveillance cameras, and the event will basically be remembered forever. Despite being able to surveil every pupil, bullying is still somehow a commonplace event. For the bullied, they have no recourse because they are forced to interact with their bullies on a near-daily basis. How anyone can convince themselves that this is a natural environment for children is beyond me.<p>To be completely clear, I&#x27;m not saying I have an easy solution for this. This is simply the reality of competing in a highly technological, global economy. The need for menial labor is dropping everyday, and the demands of specialization are becoming increasingly stringent. But like a man eating tree bark in a famine, the necessity of the action doesn&#x27;t magically improve the circumstances. Whether anybody likes it or not, it is a hard fact that governments around the world are forcing children to grow up in environments where they can not move, can not talk, can not play, and must complete copious amounts of paperwork.<p>Schooling has become the elephant in the room for several modern dilemmas. On this site in particular, there have been numerous articles circulating about the depression epidemic, the loneliness epidemic, record-breaking virginity, record-breaking obesity, etc. etc. While unlikely to be sole cause for any of those issues, it is a blindingly obvious contributor. If I force a child to stay at a desk every morning until night for several years, it should come as no surprise when the child&#x27;s health and mental state starts to fail. Yet if I do that in the name of education, this is a surprising result?<p>This is an untouchable subject for politicians, except when arguing to _increase_ its size and scope. It is too easy for political opponents to smear such candidates as &quot;anti-education&quot;, and a large group of teachers &#x2F; school administrators consider such proposals to be an attack on their job security. Unlike other job sectors, these teachers &#x2F; school administrators have a regular captive audience of children for 8 straight hours. Even unintentionally, their political attitudes are bound to be reflected in their students. So, the attitudes continue, and the cycle stays unbroken.<p>To hazard a guess, I don&#x27;t think the end of this cycle is going to be an intentional political action. I think it is much more likely to be a collapse, based on the carelessness that this issue has been given up to now. Eventually, the constraints placed on children are going to become unbearable, and the rewards at the end of the pipeline will become too meager. If this happens, there will a large number of people in a single generation going insane en masse. Unfortunately, that would probably collapse more than just the school system.
Copyrightedover 5 years ago
I&#x27;ve had some decent experiences at university. I enjoyed talking with professors in my field, meeting some incredibly talented people, and learning things I probably wouldn&#x27;t have learned outside of uni.<p>High school was useless and terrible though.
42droidsover 5 years ago
Do we have resources on alternative school systems? I remember, for example, that Elon Musk runs an alternative school. Anybody ever attended one? Would love to hear experiences.
hindsightbiasover 5 years ago
Perhaps it’s time for a new monastic lifestyle - Gibson and Stephenson should write a book together.
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JoshTkoover 5 years ago
This is another clickbait article from BBC on how &quot;Japan is weird&quot;. The number of kids in the free schools seems tiny at about 0.2%.
Ivover 5 years ago
&quot;As the numbers keep rising, people are asking if it&#x27;s a reflection of the school system, rather than a problem with the pupils themselves.&quot;<p>Got some first hand experience here. Hard to not be a bit sarcastic. Geeze, I don&#x27;t know... Is it that the students of Japan are suddenly becoming stubborn (or &quot;weak&quot;) or is it that a system that:<p>- does not fight bullying<p>- does not fight racism<p>- does not allow students any free time for any hobby<p>- does recommend to sleep less in order to study more<p>- does not allow to repeat a class and solely looks at date of birth to put kids in a class<p>could, possibly, have some impact on the well-being of kids?<p>But worry not: Japanese TV knows how parents can solve that! It recommends shouting and forcing sport on your lazy stay-at-home kid!
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knownover 5 years ago
I think schools should teach&#x2F;protect kids from Machiavellianism (manipulate&#x2F;deceive others) Psychopathy (lack of remorse&#x2F;empathy) Sadism (pleasure in suffering of others) Narcissism (egotism&#x2F;self-obsession)
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knownover 5 years ago
So why are so many children avoiding school in Japan?<p>Family circumstances, personal issues with friends, and bullying are among the main causes, according to a survey by the ministry of education.
knownover 5 years ago
Is obtaining a collection Certificates&#x2F;Competencies a reasonable alternative to those kids?