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Ask HN: What is the stigma against Wikipedia as an official reference

3 pointsby thasaleniover 5 years ago
I mean the same things that people fault about Wikipedia can be said about scientific papers, anyone can write a paper and have it peer reviewed and approved. Isn't Wikipedia better cause it has a much larger audience that can call bullshit on articles of questionable factuality? Why do educational and research institutions frown against quoting Wikipedia as a reference? I mean some people even find information on Wikipedia and quote somewhere else just to avoid this.

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pepper_sauceover 5 years ago
During my university studies, a few classmates decided to edit a Wikipedia page for a niche technique in our field - changing the article to state it was invented by a rather boisterous member of our group.<p>The year following our graduation, my classmate heard from the tutor who runs the related course -- asking why the hell his students were claiming he invented such-and-such technique! Several students had cited Wikipedia without checking sources.<p>To answer your question, Wikipedia is a lower quality source than scientific journals for the same reason direct democracy isn&#x27;t usually as good as representative democracy. We delegate trust in matters to an authority. Sometimes there are problems with the quality of the authority but at least there is a framework to work within.
muzaniover 5 years ago
It prevents circular referencing. For example, Wikipedia might be referencing Legitimate Science Page, which references Science R Us, which references Science Experts Coalition, which references Wikipedia.
bjourneover 5 years ago
It&#x27;s because Wikipedia is edited by anonymous people. sources is not to say &quot;this is true because this is written in this source&quot; but &quot;this is true because someone <i>with authority</i> said so&quot;. Citing sources is is a form of argument from authority. It is a a fallacy if the source has no authority but a completely valid argument if the source does. Wikipedia has no authority because of its anonymous nature. There&#x27;s no one to hold responsible and no one who&#x27;ll lose credibility by publishing bullshit on Wikipedia.<p>Also, most Wikipedia articles worth citing contain really bad factual errors. Since most readers aren&#x27;t topic experts they don&#x27;t notice such errors. But they are there and they are really bad. I only have some math education but I&#x27;ve found lots of mistakes in proofs on Wikipedia. Imagine how bad it is for higher-level math that is beyond the reach of most visitors to the site.
A_Parrover 5 years ago
Either the Wikipedia article has a citation for the reference you should use instead, or it needs one and you shouldn&#x27;t be referencing it.
hacknatover 5 years ago
You shouldn’t cite encyclopedias to begin with. I remember learning this in 6th grade, do they not still teach this? Research 101.
gshdgover 5 years ago
&gt; and have it peer reviewed and approved<p>That’s the part that matters.
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JPLeRouzicover 5 years ago
On overall I agree that having a larger audience is better for WP.<p>But most WP users are quite passive, and unfortunately a very few are extraordinarily active, so the quality of the WP they patrol, depends heavily of their biases. As they are few, there is no natural moderation.<p>But having a quality article is not enough, it is also important to have quality articles on a reasonable range of topics, and this is not true for some WP (French WP for example)<p>Same article since 2012 about cancer vaccines, only 42 words! <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fr.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Vaccin_contre_le_cancer" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fr.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Vaccin_contre_le_cancer</a>
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