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BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X

672 pointsby fogusover 5 years ago

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mumblemumbleover 5 years ago
Ah, memories. Used to use BeOS as my primary OS for a year or two. I think it&#x27;s the only OS I ever found to be truly intuitive and pleasant to work with.<p>That said, I don&#x27;t think the world would be in a better place had Apple chosen Be over NeXT. The elephant in the room is security: NeXTSTEP, being Unix-based, has some amount of security baked in from the ground up. BeOS didn&#x27;t; it was more akin to Windows 95 or classic Mac OS on that front. Consequently, I doubt it could have made it far into the 21st century. It would have died unceremoniously in a steaming pile of AYBABTU. Taking Apple with it, presumably.
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chipotle_coyoteover 5 years ago
I was another former Be &quot;power user.&quot; And I think that was probably accurate -- if you weren&#x27;t in the &quot;BeOS lifestyle&quot; during the admittedly short window that it was possible, it&#x27;s hard to understand how much promise it looked like it had. When I tell people I ran it full-time for over a year, they wonder how I managed to get anything done, but...<p>- Pe was a great GUI text editor, competitive with BBEdit on the Mac<p>- GoBe Productive was comparable to AppleWorks, but maybe a little better at being compatible with Microsoft Office<p>- SoundPlay was a great MP3 player that could do crazy things that I still don&#x27;t see anything doing 20 years later (it had speed control for files, including playing backwards, and could <i>mix</i> files that were queued up for playback; it didn&#x27;t have any library management, but BeOS&#x27;s file system let you expose arbitrary metadata -- like MP3 song&#x2F;artist&#x2F;etc. tags! -- right in file windows)<p>- Mail-It was the second-best email client I ever used, behind the now also sadly-defunct Mailsmith<p>- e-Picture was an object-based bitmapped graphics editor similar in spirit and functionality to Macromedia&#x27;s Fireworks, and was something I genuinely missed for years after leaving BeOS<p>And there were other programs that were amazing, even though I didn&#x27;t use them: Adamation&#x27;s video editor (videoElements? something like that), their audio editor audioElements, Steinberg&#x27;s Nuendo, objektSynth, and two programs which are incredibly still being sold today: Lost Marble&#x27;s Moho animation program, now sold by Smith Micro for Mac and PC, and the radio automation package TuneTracker (incredibly now being sold as a turnkey bundle with Haiku). Also, for years, there was a professional-grade theatre light&#x2F;audio control system, LCS CueStation, that ran on BeOS -- and it actually ran Broadway and Las Vegas productions. I remember seeing it running at the Cirque de Soleil permanent installation at Disney World in Orlando.<p>At the time Apple bought Next rather than Be, I thought they&#x27;d made a horrible mistake. Given Apple&#x27;s trajectory afterward, of course, it&#x27;s hard to say that looking back. It&#x27;s very possible that if they&#x27;d bought Be, they&#x27;d have gone under, although I think that would have less to do with technology than with the management they&#x27;d have ended up with (or more accurately, stayed with). But it&#x27;s still an interesting &quot;what if.&quot;
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staticoover 5 years ago
One of my favorite anecdotes about BeOS was that it had a CPU usage meter[1], and on the CPU meter there were on&#x2F;off switches for each core. If you had two cores and turned one off, your computer would run at half speed. If you turned both off, your computer would crash. Someone once told me that this was filed as a bug against the OS and the response was &quot;Works As Intended&quot; and that it was the expected behavior.<p>(These are fuzzy memories from ~25 years ago. It would be nice if someone could confirm this story or tell me if it&#x27;s just my imagination.)<p>[1]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.birdhouse.org&#x2F;beos&#x2F;8way&#x2F;8way-1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.birdhouse.org&#x2F;beos&#x2F;8way&#x2F;8way-1.jpg</a>
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djsumdogover 5 years ago
When I started University in 2000, I had a quad-boot system: Win98, Win2000, BeOS 5 and Slackware Linux (using the BeOS bootload as my primary because it had the prettiest colors). I mostly used Slackware and Win98 (for games), but BeOS was really neat. It had support for the old Booktree video capture cards, could capture video without dropping frames like VirtualDub often did, and it even had support for disabling a CPU on multicpu systems (I only saw videos of this; never ran BeOS on a SMP system).<p>I wish we had more options today. On modern x86 hardware, you pretty much just have Windows, Linux and maybe FreeBSD&#x2F;OpenBSD if you replace your Wi-Fi card with an older one (or MacOS if you&#x27;re feeling Hackintoshy .. or just buy Apple hardware). I guess three is kinda the limit you&#x27;re going to hit when it comes to broad support.
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rayinerover 5 years ago
Oh man! I first tried BeOS personal edition when it came on a CD with Maximum PC magazine. (Referring to same demo CD, though the poster is not me: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;civis&#x2F;viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=1067159&amp;start=40" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;civis&#x2F;viewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=1067159&amp;s...</a>. Also, how crazy is it that Ars Technica’s forums have two decade old posts? In 2000, that would be like seeing forum posts from 1980.) I remember being so happy when we got SDSL, and I could get online from BeOS. (Before that, my computer had a winmodem.)<p>BeOS was always a very tasteful design. And well documented! I learned so much about low level programming from the Be Newsletters: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.haiku-os.org&#x2F;legacy-docs&#x2F;benewsletter&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.haiku-os.org&#x2F;legacy-docs&#x2F;benewsletter&#x2F;index.html</a>. The BONE article is a great introduction to how a network stack works: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.haiku-os.org&#x2F;legacy-docs&#x2F;benewsletter&#x2F;Issue5-5.html#Engineering5-5" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.haiku-os.org&#x2F;legacy-docs&#x2F;benewsletter&#x2F;Issue5-5.h...</a>. I still have a copy of Dominic Giampalo’s BeFS book somewhere.<p>BeOS was very much a product of its time. (Microkernel, use of C++, etc.) What would a modern BeOS look like? My thought: use of a memory and thread safe language like Rust for the main app-level APIs. (Thread safety in BeOS applications, where every window ran in its own thread, was not trivial.) Probably more exokernel than microkernel, with direct access to GPUs and NICs and maybe even storage facilitated by hardware multiplexing. What else?
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eb0laover 5 years ago
I installed BeOS a long time ago on a PC. It was something ahead of the times.<p>I still remember how incredible it was the rotating cube demo where you coud drag and drop images and videos on the cube faces... it worked without a glitch on my pentium.<p>Just found out the demo video shows the application with a GL wave surface playing a video over it: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;BsVydyC8ZGQ?t=1074" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;BsVydyC8ZGQ?t=1074</a>
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killionover 5 years ago
One of the last lines threw me off...<p>&quot;Would Tim Berners-Lee have used a BeBox to run the world’s first web server instead?&quot;<p>The BeBox didn&#x27;t ship until 1995. Tim Berners-Lee wrote the first version of the web in 1991. So nope, that wouldn&#x27;t have happened.
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jsjohnstover 5 years ago
&gt; What’s left for us now is to wonder, how different would the desktop computer ecosystem look today if all those years ago, back in 1997, Apple decided to buy Be Inc. instead of NeXT? Would Tim Berners-Lee have used a BeBox to run the world’s first web server instead?<p>For this hypothetical scenario to ever had been possible, BeOS would’ve had to time travel, as TBL wrote <i>WorldWideWeb</i> on a NeXT machine in 1990[0]. BeOS was initially developed in 1991 per Wikipedia[1] and the initial release of BeOS to the public wasn’t until 1995.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.w3.org&#x2F;People&#x2F;Berners-Lee&#x2F;FAQ.html#browser" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.w3.org&#x2F;People&#x2F;Berners-Lee&#x2F;FAQ.html#browser</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;BeOS" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;BeOS</a>
Quequauover 5 years ago
I used BeOS for most of the 2nd half of the &#x27;90s and I guess in my mind at least the regrettable, messy, and unethical end of BeOS in 2001-2002 is emblematic of the Dot Com collapse.<p>Crushed by Microsoft&#x27;s anti-competitive business practices and sold for scrap to a failing company who was unable to actually do anything with parts they wound up with but who never the less made damn sure that no one else could either.
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rvzover 5 years ago
BeOS was really something of what the future &#x27;could&#x27; have almost been. Too bad that it was killed by better competitors. But again I think its fair to compare with the lessons learned from its successor &#x27;Haiku&#x27; that can be learned by many other OSes:<p>From what I can see from using Haiku for a bit, it has the bazar community element from the open-source culture with its package management and ports system from Linux and BSD whilst being conservative with its design from its apps, UI, and SDK like macOS. Although I have tired it and its surprisingly &quot;useable&quot;, the driver story is still a bit lacking. But from a GUI usability point of view compared with many Linux distros, it feels very consistent unlike the countless confusing interfaces coming from those distros.<p>Perhaps BeOS lives on in the Haiku project, but whats more interesting is that the real contender who learned from its failure is the OS that has its kernel named &#x27;Zircon&#x27;.
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perardiover 5 years ago
In my hazy recollection, there was another, rather pedestrian reason Apple didn&#x27;t go for BeOS: it had almost no infrastructure for printing. The Mac&#x27;s niche was prepress and desktop publishing (remember that phrase?), and BeOS could barely print and had no color management.<p>(Though I could be totally wrong on this, and welcome a correction.)
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localhostover 5 years ago
Before I first saw BeOS running on a colleague&#x27;s machine back in the ~mid-late 90s (same guy who introduced me to Python) I used an SGI Onyx Reality Engine machine [1] (roughly $250K computer back in the day) for molecular mechanics simulations and BeOS ran circles around it on perceived responsiveness. I really wish we have OS&#x27;s that prioritize input&#x2F;output latency over all else.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;SGI_Onyx" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;SGI_Onyx</a>
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rwmjover 5 years ago
Haiku is really good. Would recommend anyone to try it out in a VM (I had it running on my actual laptop for a short time, but unfortunately my job pretty much requires me to run Linux so it couldn&#x27;t stay). Haiku has a really responsive UI with a 90s look so you can actually tell what is a button.
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pjmlpover 5 years ago
In this alternative universe, Objective-C would have died, Swift would never happened, and C++ would rule across desktop and mobile OSes (thinking only of Windows, BeOS X, Symbian, Windows CE and what might have been BeOS based iOS).<p>Also POSIX would be even less relevant, and very few would be buying BeOS X for doing Linux coding.
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Eric_WVGGover 5 years ago
I feel like the biggest missed opportunity of the “mobile revolution” ten years ago was BeOS.<p>It seemed clear to me that Android would be a bust for smartphone manufacturers (nobody has really made money off of Android except for Google and Samsung, the latter of whom accomplished this by dominating that market).<p>If Sony, for example, had gotten ahold of BeOS and tried to vertically integrate in a manner similar to Apple, they could have been a contender.<p>Neal Stephenson’s In the Beginning Was the Command Line has quite a lot of interesting observations about BeOS during its prime. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cristal.inria.fr&#x2F;~weis&#x2F;info&#x2F;commandline.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cristal.inria.fr&#x2F;~weis&#x2F;info&#x2F;commandline.html</a>
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stiGGGover 5 years ago
Some trivia: There was an unofficial successor of BeOS called ZETA from a german company yellowTAB (later magnussoft). I remember this because they tried selling it via a homeshopping channel in german TV which was completely hilarious.<p>I found a (very bad) recording of this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=FQW-q2vp6W4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=FQW-q2vp6W4</a>
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denimboyover 5 years ago
The way BeOS used filesystem attributes like a database was way ahead of the curve and it still might be.<p>This book was a great read back in the day of what goes into a &quot;modern&quot; filesystem design<p><pre><code> https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;practical-file-system-design </code></pre> &quot;Practical File System Design&quot; was technical but also readable. Straight from the man who designed BFS which makes it more of an accomplishment IMO.
int_19hover 5 years ago
I enjoy the regular reminiscing of BeOS, but for all the talk about how fast it was on hardware common at the time, I wonder why nobody remembers an even more impressive &quot;tech demo&quot; of an OS from that same period - QNX 6 desktop? An ISO of evaluation edition of 6.2 was easily downloadable for a while, and it was pretty neat:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;guidebookgallery.org&#x2F;screenshots&#x2F;qnx621" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;guidebookgallery.org&#x2F;screenshots&#x2F;qnx621</a><p>(I know that QNX was and still is widely used - the &quot;tech demo&quot; bit refers to its use as a primary desktop OS, not the usual embedding scenarios.)
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jamesfmilneover 5 years ago
I&#x27;ve been wasting a bit of time lately trying to get BeOS 5.0 Professional running on my PowerMac 8500&#x2F;180.<p>Had to order a USB CD&#x2F;DVD burner off of Amazon to write the ISO to a CD as I didn&#x27;t actually own any hardware with a CD&#x2F;DVD burner anymore :D
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ttulover 5 years ago
I remember seeing a BeBox under someone&#x27;s desk at the video game company I was interning at in 1997. I nearly lost my shit. When Be released an Intel-compatible build while I was at Santa Clara in 1998, I installed it onto one of the lab computers. Sorry about that, IT team.
rcarmoover 5 years ago
I ran BeOS back in the day (even have the developer book!) and I&#x27;ve been trying Haiku on and off over the years.<p>It&#x27;s been interesting. The browser isn&#x27;t quite all there yet but might be considered serviceable, and you can sort of get a working dev environment going on it (not many modern runtimes, though, nor a way to run Linux binaries that would let me do Clojure).<p>It&#x27;s certainly worth keeping an eye on, although there were some weird decisions - for instance, I remember a thread on ARM support where whomever was tackling that was completely dissing the Raspberry Pi, and yet today, if I were to install it permanently on any machine to tinker with, it would almost certainly be a Pi...
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gnu8over 5 years ago
We didn’t get to have this because Microsoft strangled it in the crib. I am never forgiving them for that.
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harikbover 5 years ago
I remember the Palm acquisition. At that time Palm had invested heavily in webOS [1] which wasn&#x27;t as performant. When they acquired BeOS, I thought it was going to be a turn around. But that didn&#x27;t happen either.<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;WebOS" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;WebOS</a>
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nickbaumanover 5 years ago
What was truly revolutionary for BeOS was the muti-threaded <i>user interface</i> where you could have multiple mice connected to the same machine and they could interact with the UI at the same time. Hardly anyone paid any attention to this. But the possibilities are amazing.
angrygoatover 5 years ago
We had one of the two-processor BeBoxes at my uni computer club – it was a really cool machine to play around on, and at the time I was using it (1999) one of our few graphical terminals with a web browser, so in quite a bit of demand.<p>We also had a NeXT tower, three SGI machines running IRIX, a Mac upon which someone had installed Mac OS X Server 1.0 (NeXT innards, UI looked like classic MacOS).<p>I kind of miss the diversity of systems we had back then. In many ways we&#x27;ve gone forward – tinkering is much easier now with the preponderance of cheap, fast dev boards and systems like the Raspberry Pi, but it does feel like actual user-facing stuff is now largely locked down, without as much innovation and competition.
qwerty456127over 5 years ago
That&#x27;s sad Haiku won&#x27;t get traction. An viable alternative on the desktop PC OS market would be a great thing to have (even on a commercial basis, not necessarily for free). Linux for 1% geeks, MacOS X for Apple hardware owners and Windows for everybody else does not seem like a healthy competition.<p>Android, iOS, Chrome, Facebook - everything is monopolized nowadays. Governments should really consider supporting alternative OSes, browsers and social networks for sake of national security as the monopolies enjoy too much power over the whole humanity nowadays.
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bluedinoover 5 years ago
The founder of Be wrote a bunch of articles about Be&#x27;s life, and demise<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mondaynote.com&#x2F;tagged&#x2F;beos" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mondaynote.com&#x2F;tagged&#x2F;beos</a>
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krestenover 5 years ago
I was really taken with beos when it was a live product. However, Nextstep really was a much much better basis for taking Apple into the future compared to beos. As has been proven resoundingly first by the seamless switch from PowerPC to intel, and then the ongoing smoothness and general acceptance of OS X by industry.<p>I know it’s not universally loved but OSX&#x2F;nextstep for me is really everything I could have wanted from an operating system.
gwbas1cover 5 years ago
When I went to college in 1999, a kid down the hall from me pushed me really hard to install Be. It looked really cool when he showed it to me...<p>... But no programs that I wanted ran on it! As cool as BeOS was, without programs, it was little more than a demo or a hobby.<p>Within a year I tried Windows NT and Windows 2000, and then forgot all about BeOS. Windows 2000 did everything that BeOS did for me, didn&#x27;t crash, and ran all the programs I wanted to.
colinstricklandover 5 years ago
That&#x27;s a coincidence this surfacing right now. There must be something in the air. I was an enthusiastic BeOS user back when it was a thing (ironically, I switched to it because I thought NEXTSTEP didn&#x27;t have much of a future left), and I used it for a few years, quite happily. It left me with a legacy of several BeBoxes, and over the holiday period, I was vaguely inspired to dust them off and wonder about what to do with them. I got one of them booting perfectly, here&#x27;s a link I posted to reddit showing it&#x27;s first POST<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;vintagecomputing&#x2F;comments&#x2F;eku19u&#x2F;dusted_off_one_of_my_old_beboxes&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;vintagecomputing&#x2F;comments&#x2F;eku19u&#x2F;du...</a><p>(first POST should have gone to slashdot really, ah well.)
christkvover 5 years ago
I remember using one at NTH in Trondheim in 1995-96 and it was awesome compared to the silicon graphics stations or pcs. It just felt insanely smooth and quick compared to the clunkiness of the other machines. I wish it had taken off, it would probably have gotten us faster to multi core machines.
lprovenover 5 years ago
There is another big reason that Apple didn&#x27;t buy Be and was right not to -- and I say that although BeOS is my favourite x86 OS ever.<p>Dev tools.<p>Remember Steve Ballmer&#x27;s &quot;Developers! Developers! Developers!&quot; dance? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;I14b-C67EXY?t=10" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;I14b-C67EXY?t=10</a><p>He was right. Without developers for a new OS, you are dead in the water. Which is my MS has fought so hard to keep compatibility.<p>Apple had to switch OS. That meant it had to persuade all its devs to switch OS. <i>That</i> meant it had to offer the devs something very special, and that something was NeXTstep and Interface Builder. NeXT&#x27;s dev tools were the best in the software business and _that_ offered trad Mac devs a good enough reason to come across.<p>Be had nothing like that.<p>BeOS was wonderful, but it was not a replacement for NeXTstep as a replacement for MacOS.<p>But there was another company out there.<p>BeOS was a natively multiprocessor OS, when that was very rare. One of the reasons is that in fast x86 computers, the x86 chip is one of the most expensive single components in the machine, and it puts out most of the heat.<p>Especially at the end of the 1990s and early 2000s, the era of big fat Slot 2 Pentium IIIs and worse still Pentium 4s.<p>But there was one company making powerful desktops with the cheapest, coolest-running CPUs in the world, where making a dual-processor machine _in 1998_ was barely more expensive than making a uniprocessor one.<p>That company&#x27;s CPUs are the best-selling CPUs ever designed and outsell all x86 chips put together (Intel + AMD + Via etc.) by well over 10 to 1.<p>And it needed a lightweight, SMP-capable OS very badly, right at the time Be was porting BeOS from PowerPC to x86...<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;liam-on-linux.livejournal.com&#x2F;55562.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;liam-on-linux.livejournal.com&#x2F;55562.html</a>
jjrhover 5 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;BeOS#Products_using_BeOS" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;BeOS#Products_using_BeOS</a><p>Pretty cool BeOS still lives on in the audio&#x2F;video&#x2F;broadcasting industry.
ChrisMarshallNYover 5 years ago
That was actually a fairly awesome OS (for its day). Many folks thought Apple would buy it. When they purchased NeXT, instead, a lot of us were disappointed.<p>However, all these years later, I&#x27;m very glad that BeOS wasn&#x27;t selected.
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dangover 5 years ago
Many previous threads for the curious:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=false&amp;query=%22BeOS%22%20comments%3E10&amp;sort=byDate&amp;type=story" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=false&amp;qu...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=false&amp;query=haiku%20-beos%20-yc%20comments%3E10&amp;sort=byDate&amp;type=story" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=false&amp;qu...</a>
disordinaryover 5 years ago
I was going through boxes of old CDs and DVDs the other day and throwing out a lot of crap, I found my old BeOS5 disk. Didn&#x27;t throw out that one. I really enjoyed using that OS back in 2000.
cable2600over 5 years ago
The BEOS software needs to be preserved in an archive for the free, PD, open source, software.<p>Mike Crawford RIP: Wrote spellswell: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;ErisBlastar&#x2F;spellswell" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;ErisBlastar&#x2F;spellswell</a><p>and word services: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;ErisBlastar&#x2F;wordservices" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;ErisBlastar&#x2F;wordservices</a><p>It was taken from one of his old sites before he lost control of it.
pjeideover 5 years ago
I remember attending MacWorld Boston in &#x27;97, at the age of 12, and seeing a BeOS demo. I was blown away by a demonstration that consisted of a video file playing on the page of a rendered book.<p>If you clicked the page of the book and dragged it around, it simulated the page turning and the video deforming, without skipping a frame.<p>I may&#x27;ve only been 12, but that demo has stuck with me since.<p>Edit: I would love to lay eyes on that demo again if anyone has an idea of where video of it may still exist.
prirunover 5 years ago
&quot;The features it introduced that were brand new at the time are now ubiquitous — things such as preemptive multitasking&quot;<p>Without taking anything away from actual new things introduced in BeOS, preemptive multitasking and dual CPUs were not &quot;brand new&quot;. Computer system had been doing these for a long time before 1995, or even 1991 when BeOS was initially developed. Heck, minicomputers were doing this stuff in the 80&#x27;s!
ngcc_hkover 5 years ago
It is not the OS, not even the software ... Apple would still be a failure if it is all desktop OS. And the first thing he did is to do sos to Microsoft and ask for office license for 5% Apple share for a reason. That is done.<p>Of course you lost in a battle or even a campaign does not mean you just lost the war.<p>The world is better with Steve, Microsoft with competition ...<p>Now we even have Microsoft having GitHub and linux running on windows.<p>Not if it is BeOS.
bish4pover 5 years ago
If you are interested there is a way to make linux look like BeOs [0].<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;unixporn&#x2F;comments&#x2F;d8e54k&#x2F;window_maker_classic_90s_beos_look_powersimplicity&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;unixporn&#x2F;comments&#x2F;d8e54k&#x2F;window_mak...</a>
notadocover 5 years ago
Try it yourself today <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.haiku-os.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.haiku-os.org</a>
schwankover 5 years ago
I was a paid BeOS customer and still have copies of multiple versions in the original branded shipper envelopes. I have fond memories of using it back during my college CS days. Really loved the interface, that was quite the time when I used NT4, Solaris, Irix, and BeOS all at the same time.
ardenpmover 5 years ago
Crazy timing, just this week I pulled my BeBox put of storage and fired it up. Still impresses me even now, loads of nice touches. Also got a bit of a shock when I played a MIDI file and perfectly serviceable sound was produced by the little built in speaker.
jedbergover 5 years ago
My favorite part of BeOS was that in the control panel you could turn individual processors on and off. And it happily let you shoot yourself in the foot and turn off the last processor with no warning whatsoever.<p>I appreciated that the OS didn&#x27;t coddle you.
firecallover 5 years ago
Now I had read somewhere that Apple would have purchased BeOS but JLG was pushing for too much money. JLG fucked up the deal basically. I dont have a source... was years ago I read it.<p>Had JLG not fucked up the deal, they would have picked up BeOS and not NeXT.
VectorLockover 5 years ago
BeOS was cool and all but I loved the BeBox with the GeekPort.<p>When I worked at a dot-com 1.0 failed startup in 1999 one of our big wigs was a former exec at Be, and he was like the coolest dude I knew at the time. Still up there.
Wowfunhappyover 5 years ago
As someone who&#x27;s interested in platform&#x2F;OS interface and UX design, is using modern Haiku (in a VM) a decent parallel for what using BeOS was like, or would I need to get ahold of the real thing?
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aazaaover 5 years ago
&gt; In 1990, Jean-Louis Gassée, who replaced Jobs in Apple as the head of Macintosh development, was also fired from the company. He then also formed his own computer company with the help of another ex-Apple employee, Steve Sakoman. They called it Be Inc, and their goal was to create a more modern operating system from scratch based on the object-oriented design of C++, using proprietary hardware that could allow for greater media capabilities unseen in personal computers at the time.<p>Even IBM with OS&#x2F;2 couldn&#x27;t surmount the juggernaut network effect of Windows. By 1990, this was apparent to many. It&#x27;s odd that Gassée and company thought they could succeed where IBM had failed.
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agumonkeyover 5 years ago
beos demos never fail to make me weep <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ggCODBIfWKY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ggCODBIfWKY</a>
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rafaelvascoover 5 years ago
I feel like modern OS&#x27;s are in some(several?) ways, worse than these classic OS&#x27;s... They just assume too much, impose too much, hide too much etc...
bjornsingover 5 years ago
I actually bet a little bit of money on that alternative universe. I used to jokingly recount the lesson learned: “Never bet against Steve Jobs.”
meeritaover 5 years ago
I know Microsoft was really big back then, but why BeOS and OS&#x2F;2 Warp never get into and GNU&#x2F;Linux did?
vkakuover 5 years ago
I&#x27;m waiting for Haiku stable. I just hope it&#x27;s worth it :) Could use a change from current ones.
teinacover 5 years ago
it&#x27;s one Microsoft&#x27;s greatest business achievements to have won against the OS&#x2F;2 and BeOS competition and it&#x27;s one of Microsoft&#x27;s biggest business failures to have not won against Google&#x27;s Android.
frankzenover 5 years ago
I almost thought we were talking comeback when I saw the headline!
adamnemecekover 5 years ago
BeOS was the way it was thanks to the async API. I think that a Rust port of BeOS would be amazing due to Rusts first class support of async.
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florin0x01over 5 years ago
How does Haiku compare to Beos?
ossworkerrightsover 5 years ago
Ah the memories! Had no idea Haiku was an open source implementation of BeOS. Port Electron to it, and I commit to writing tools for this OS in my spare time!