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Ask HN: Why Are There `Remote: Only US` or `Remote: Only Europe` Jobs?

23 pointsby kishansagathiyaover 5 years ago
I am under an impression that there are limited software engineers in US and EU, which is why they have to hire from everywhere else. And with anti-immigration regimes companies are now turning towards remote work. But seeing job listing with `Remote: Only US` or `Remote: Only EU` makes me wonder if I am wrong in thinking that?<p>Can someone here who is responsible for creating such vacancies or anyone who knows clarify about why they have this condition?

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codegeekover 5 years ago
Mostly because of 2 reasons:<p>1. They dont want to deal with complex legal, immigration and employment laws. If you are a US company, you can just deal with IRS and state laws.<p>2. They want you to be able to easily travel to headquarters if needed. Much easier if you are in the country.<p>The reality is that remote hiring is awesome but there are legal and HR related risks that most companies dont want to deal with.
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duxupover 5 years ago
In my experience it is usually for legal reasons. In those places the employer knows the lay of the land as far as employment law and an a independant and predictable legal system that is also understood &#x2F; preditible.<p>I worked for a company that had some major banks and financal institutions. Anyone working on their systems had to be a US citizen, living in the US (even the european banks required that at times).<p>I was actually involved with one customer who I happened across some strange monitoring setups and it turned out it was the remnants of a company they used that was based outside the US &#x2F; Europe when the company was expanding quickly. This outsourced company could not explain why they did what they did and after an internal investigation &#x2F; consultation from legal they realized how little leverage they had with this outsourcing company (pretty much none). It could have been incompetence, but from what I saw the setup was far from something you&#x27;d do &#x27;accidentally&#x27; or something you would do to accomplish another goal. After that they reviewed a lot of their outside companies and laid down a lot of new US (and sometimes some local exceptions) only rules. Fortunately for my employer they had already established those rules for similar reasons &#x2F; other customers had demanded it.
gtsteveover 5 years ago
For me, it&#x27;s down to timezones. On a remote job advert I said I&#x27;d consider developers in Europe due to timezone overlap and an American developer e-mailed in saying, &quot;but what if you just naturally get up really early&quot;. I hired him, it works just fine.
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stevenicrover 5 years ago
It&#x27;s easier to sue someone &#x2F; take them to court. (both criminal court and civil court)<p>Also much, (like a LOT), cheaper to get local lawyers to handle non-international things.<p>Easier to ruin their life - shaming someone in the US could be devastating to their entire future work and possibly family life. Knowing how &#x2F; where to do such in other countries is not normal domain knowledge.<p>You also don&#x27;t need a passport to travel to their place and punch them in the face.<p>When actually doing the work: It&#x27;s easier to figure time zones, weather issues, and holidays as well.<p>Language &#x2F; accent barriers cost time and are extra work too.<p>Given the above situations, work done cheaper over-the-border has to be re-checked by someone local for security issues &#x2F; backdoors are more of an issue.<p>In my very small data points &#x2F; experiences, ymmv.
bowlichover 5 years ago
When I&#x27;ve seen a U.S. company &quot;hire&quot; an engineer outside of the country, they tend to end up having to do it as a contractor instead of as a FT Employee. When I see &quot;Remote: Only US,&quot; there&#x27;s a high chance they&#x27;re not looking to hire on a contractor.<p>Reason being taxes and labor relations laws (PTO requirements, health insurance isn&#x27;t going to extend to your country -- or really any of the benefits package).<p>I&#x27;ve been with remote employers who will go a step further and also restrict individual states (e.g. no California) or only hire in states where they have existing employees to reduce the load on HR.<p>They&#x27;ll need to register in each State they&#x27;ve got employees. If they&#x27;re taking on employees internationally, they might need to set up some kind of legal entity in that country. Which if it&#x27;s a country like China, oh boy, that&#x27;s a lot of paperwork.
nicolasdover 5 years ago
Two reasons that come to my mind: 1. legal burden of hiring globally 2. while allowing remote work, the company might not be set up for asynchronous communication
janbernhartover 5 years ago
Adding to the main reasons already mentioned by others; it&#x27;s also about culture. Most companies have the perception that people who live close-by are more likely to fit into the existing culture. With that in mind, it does make sense to prioritize people in the same country&#x2F;continent even for remote work.<p>Also, the demand-suply for remote working engineers is way different, so it can be an alternative to relocting from abroad.
BossingAroundover 5 years ago
I think you got an answer to your question. Legal reasons would be the number one reason, most likely.<p>What I wonder is, how does Gitlab do it? They hire pretty much anywhere in the world, and somehow, it seems unlikely they have a legal representing entity in all the countries.
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sloakenover 5 years ago
Some products destined for government require a certain percentage being made in the country. Voters like that sort of thing. As if you spend 50K on a national hire, you might be able to spend 20K on imported hardware.
jklein11over 5 years ago
I know some government contracts require that “the data doesn’t leave the US” my understanding is that this is to discourage subcontracting to non-US companies