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Carrier sales of phone-location data is illegal, FCC plans punishment

611 pointsby Stanleyc23over 5 years ago

22 comments

stock_toasterover 5 years ago
Presumably this only happened because the :<p>&gt; lawmakers in November accused[1] the FCC of failing to protect consumers’ privacy, and said that major wireless carriers were disclosing real-time location to data compilers without consumers’ consent or knowledge. The information could be obtained by companies including bounty hunters, the lawmakers said in a letter.<p>&gt; [1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;energycommerce.house.gov&#x2F;sites&#x2F;democrats.energycommerce.house.gov&#x2F;files&#x2F;documents&#x2F;FCC.2019.11.8.%20Letter%20re%20Location%20Privacy.CAT_.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;energycommerce.house.gov&#x2F;sites&#x2F;democrats.energycomme...</a><p>&gt; -- as reported by Bloomburg<p>&gt; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2020-01-31&#x2F;wireless-carriers-violated-privacy-by-sharing-location-fcc-says" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2020-01-31&#x2F;wireless-...</a><p>The FCC really has become just a lobbying goat under Pai. Yikes.
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adrrover 5 years ago
Biggest industry affected is the banks. They’ll ping your phone location if you make out of area purchases as a part of fraud detection. If your bank doesn’t require travel notices, they are probably pulling mobile location. Some don’t, I know chase uses mobile app to determine location.
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johnrgraceover 5 years ago
I note that only REAL TIME location data is illegal, if I want to do most marketing things data from several days ago is perfectly usable.
charred_toastover 5 years ago
Are there even laws anymore? It seems like the law only applies to non-corporate entities and citizens. If you&#x27;re in politics, law enforcement, or the Fortune 500, expect zero consequences for breaking the law. Exceptions exist but aren&#x27;t the rule.
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anonymousiamover 5 years ago
So it&#x27;s okay for the carriers to provide the phone-location (and other metadata) to government entities without a warrant, but it&#x27;s not okay to sell it commercially? I&#x27;d love to see a legal analysis of that argument.
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footaover 5 years ago
I&#x27;m sure the same precedent will apply for telecoms injecting ads, right?
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dv_dtover 5 years ago
I bet someone bought location data for legislators and showed it to them.
admax88qover 5 years ago
Why is it legal for them to collect that data in the first place? Can&#x27;t sell, abuse, or accidentally leak that which you don&#x27;t have.
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PrivateRepoover 5 years ago
What firms were sourcing this information?
sneakover 5 years ago
The problem is that many private companies now have the historic data. Even if they don’t receive any more in the future, most people only ever go 3-5 places. Collect data for a few years and you have the majority of the population’s locations predicted most of the time for a decade or two.
thedirt0115over 5 years ago
Is anything going to happen to the companies who bought the data? Is that also illegal?
PrivateRepoover 5 years ago
What companies are immediately going to be affected by this?
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paulmdover 5 years ago
&quot;one or more&quot;<p>hint: it&#x27;s all of them
kumarskiover 5 years ago
Some of the companies on this list could be hurt by this:<p>Alternativedata.org
dvduvalover 5 years ago
Does this increase the value of this data for Google?
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nerpderp82over 5 years ago
I think jailtime+fines should be the minimal remedy.
paulproteusover 5 years ago
I&#x27;ve long believed that when companies do illegal things that would normally be punished by prison, the company should go to prison.<p>The company office would have to operate according to the same rules as a prison. Employees on arrival are security-checked the same way prisoners would be when they arrive for the first time. Rules about talking between cells, and device use, are the same as a prison. Once you get to your prison office, and you have your prison clothes on, you can work on paper.<p>I think this should be an existing prison. If a company wants to instead hire prison guards and do renovations to make their existing office work like a prison, I could be flexible to that.<p>Presumably all the employees would rather quit than work in prison. Sounds okay to me.<p>Presumably all investors would pressure the CEO to avoid getting the company put in prison because it would be a real productivity problem. Sounds okay to me.
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chowardover 5 years ago
Imagine someone time traveled here from 30 years ago first learning what cell phones are then seeing this headline. Why is this even debatable?
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dd36over 5 years ago
Toothless fines. Indict corporate officers or employees that did it... then you’ll get change.
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droithommeover 5 years ago
Thank goodness for sanity!
Analemma_over 5 years ago
I&#x27;ll celebrate when the money from the fines is actually sitting in the Treasury account, and not a moment before. Pai is outrageously corrupt, is best friends with telecom CEOs, and with near-certainty will cave to requests to have these punishments reduced to next-to-nothing.
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parvenu74over 5 years ago
But Facebook, Google, Microsoft, et al are still free to sell phone location data acquired through apps (or Android itself in the case of Google), right? I wonder if there is any hope of laws to limit the ability of companies to sell this data...
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