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The Rotating Lepton Model

40 pointsby polytronicover 5 years ago

13 comments

hpcjoeover 5 years ago
I saw &quot;relativistic gravitational force between neutrinos&quot; and red flags went up. I&#x27;ve not read the article, just the abstract.<p>Doing a bit more of a look on the RLM, I found this[1] where they (mis)write the relation between inertial and rest mass. Specifically the gamma^3 factor ...<p>I&#x27;ve been out of physics for more than 20 years, so it&#x27;s possible that there has been some new development since my Ph.D. Though 2 additional factors of gamma in special relativity aren&#x27;t likely.<p>Color me ... skeptical.<p>I did follow their Einstein paper reference[2] to see if I had missed something. I didn&#x27;t. I don&#x27;t understand the origin of their 2 extra gammas in eqn 1 of the first reference. The paper abstract appears to be a continuation of that work.<p>From what I could determine, they need the gamma^3 term for their arguments, but it doesn&#x27;t come from Einstein&#x27;s paper as they claimed.<p>Again, I could be missing something, but I don&#x27;t think I am.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;iopscience.iop.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;10.1088&#x2F;1742-6596&#x2F;738&#x2F;1&#x2F;012080&#x2F;pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;iopscience.iop.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;10.1088&#x2F;1742-6596&#x2F;738&#x2F;1&#x2F;0...</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;fourmilab.ch&#x2F;etexts&#x2F;einstein&#x2F;specrel&#x2F;www&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;fourmilab.ch&#x2F;etexts&#x2F;einstein&#x2F;specrel&#x2F;www&#x2F;</a>
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wrycoderover 5 years ago
Couldn&#x27;t find it on arxiv, but it is referenced in another of their current articles here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2001.09760" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2001.09760</a><p>Very novel :-&#x2F;<p>edit: They have published a book. One can read the preview on Amazon to get a feel for it:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Gravity-Special-Relativity-Strong-Bohr-Einstein-ebook-dp-B00BLQYBW0&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B00BLQYBW0&#x2F;ref=mt_kindle?_encoding=UTF8&amp;me=&amp;qid=" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Gravity-Special-Relativity-Strong-Boh...</a><p>They aren&#x27;t attracting any citations.
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gus_massaover 5 years ago
They model the proton as three neutrinos rotating around a positron. These are spin 1&#x2F;2, particles, so the composite particle that includes all of them <i>must</i> have a spin that is an integer number: 0, 1 or 2 in this case. But the proton is a 1&#x2F;2 spin particle. This is a <i>huge red</i> flag.<p>For comparison, in the Standard Model, the proton is made of two up quarks an one down quark [1]. Each of the has spin 1&#x2F;2, and the composite particle <i>must</i> have a non integer spin: 1&#x2F;2 or 3&#x2F;2 in this case. The proton is the one with spin 1&#x2F;2. The version with spin 3&#x2F;2 is the Delta+ particle, that is a 30% &quot;heavier&quot;.<p>[There are other technical details, like if the three rotating neutrinos break the Pauli exclusion principle for neutrinos. I suspect that this is a problem, but I&#x27;m not sure. The inclusion of the Higgs boson is very strange. Anyway, the total spin is the easier to explain and check.]<p>[1] And a bunch of gluons of spin 0 and virtual particles that get compensated and don&#x27;t affect the total spin. Let&#x27;s use the naïve version with only three quarks.
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ur-whaleover 5 years ago
An Elsevier link? Really? ugh.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sci-hub.tw&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;doi.org&#x2F;10.1016&#x2F;j.physa.2019.123679" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sci-hub.tw&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;doi.org&#x2F;10.1016&#x2F;j.physa.2019.1236...</a>
wbhartover 5 years ago
How common is it for a physics theory to be able to compute so many quantities without fudge factors to make it all work out? I&#x27;m not a physicist, so I&#x27;m currently imagining this could be quite significant. Is that how physicists are reading it? Also, can any physicists comment on whether this is a top journal.
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mikhailfrancoover 5 years ago
RLM reminds me of Hestenes (1990):<p><i>The Zitterbewegung Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics</i><p>The <i>zitterbewegung</i> is a local circulatory motion of the electron presumed to be the basis of the electron spin and magnetic moment. A reformulation of the Dirac theory shows that the <i>zitterbewegung</i> need not be attributed to interference between positive and negative energy states as originally proposed by Schroedinger. Rather, it provides a physical interpretation for the complex phase factor in the Dirac wave function generally. Moreover, it extends to a coherent physical interpretation of the entire Dirac theory, and it implies a <i>zitterbewegung</i> interpretation for the Schroedinger theory as well.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;geocalc.clas.asu.edu&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;ZBW_I_QM.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;geocalc.clas.asu.edu&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;ZBW_I_QM.pdf</a>
sofos123over 5 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;proton-spin-mystery-gains-a-new-clue1&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;proton-spin-myste...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;phys.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;2017-03-proton.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;phys.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;2017-03-proton.html</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;phys.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;2017-10-proton-puzzle.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;phys.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;2017-10-proton-puzzle.html</a> RLM model by Vagenas solves the spin problem easily, some are still trying...that theory of everything based on the standard model is just for hackers... lol
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mechhackerover 5 years ago
It looks like there is a related article by the same author in 2016.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;iopscience.iop.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;10.1088&#x2F;1742-6596&#x2F;738&#x2F;1&#x2F;012080&#x2F;pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;iopscience.iop.org&#x2F;article&#x2F;10.1088&#x2F;1742-6596&#x2F;738&#x2F;1&#x2F;0...</a>
lopsidedBrainover 5 years ago
Press release: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.academyofathens.gr&#x2F;en&#x2F;announcements&#x2F;press-releases&#x2F;20190328" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.academyofathens.gr&#x2F;en&#x2F;announcements&#x2F;press-release...</a>
svd4anythingover 5 years ago
This model seems like an incredible breakthrough. Can any physicists comment on why this model isn’t taken more seriously?
jml7c5over 5 years ago
This should have a (2019), shouldn&#x27;t it?
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peter_d_shermanover 5 years ago
I see <i>two of my favorite words in all of physics</i> in this theory:<p><i>Gravity</i> and <i>Inertia</i>...<p>So maybe they&#x27;re onto something there...
lostmsuover 5 years ago
Any ELI15?