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Met Office forecasters set for 'billion pound' supercomputer

36 pointsby aluketover 5 years ago

10 comments

jjgreenover 5 years ago
I guess this is not unrelated to the ECMWF departing Reading for Bologna <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ecmwf.int&#x2F;en&#x2F;learning&#x2F;workshops&#x2F;ecmwf-bologna-2020-panel-discussion" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ecmwf.int&#x2F;en&#x2F;learning&#x2F;workshops&#x2F;ecmwf-bologna-20...</a>
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jetrinkover 5 years ago
One interesting fact that I learned from Nate Silver&#x27;s book, The Signal and the Noise, is that weather forecasting is a four-dimensional problem (space + time), so to produce a forecast that is twice as detailed requires approximately 16x the computing resources. Historically, the resolution of weather forecasts has doubled roughly every eight years, in line with with Moore&#x27;s Law.
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mrosettover 5 years ago
Ah - I momentarily forgot that the Met Office is in a country where “pound” is a measurement of money, not weight.<p>This made me curious. Apparently supercomputers can weigh 1 million pounds [0]. So a billion pound supercomputer in the US would be ~1000x more powerful than a billion pound supercomputer in the UK and cost a few percent of GDP to build.
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martinpwover 5 years ago
Seems there is not much information yet on the actual hardware. Quick search found this:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;siliconangle.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;02&#x2F;17&#x2F;hpes-cray-tapped-build-massive-1-6b-weather-supercomputer-uk&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;siliconangle.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;02&#x2F;17&#x2F;hpes-cray-tapped-build-m...</a><p>Eventually reaching 145 PFlops<p>The Met Office didn’t share further hardware details other than the fact that the supercomputer will incorporate graphics processing cards.
mqusover 5 years ago
There are also some voices that attribute bad local weather forecasts to closed weatherstations and errorprone digital replacements to manual measurements... But hey, new supercomputers are cool!
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vosperover 5 years ago
The Omega Tau podcast did an interesting episode about weather modeling at the European Center for Medium Range Weather Forecasts<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;omegataupodcast.net&#x2F;326-weather-forecasting-at-the-ecmwf&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;omegataupodcast.net&#x2F;326-weather-forecasting-at-the-e...</a>
dtfover 5 years ago
Interesting they’re talking about colocating it in EEA countries. I see the rationale for Iceland and Norway, but why specify them as EEA? Is there a post-Brexit strategic angle to this? (considering the large sum of public money involved)
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tgflynnover 5 years ago
I&#x27;m surprised to see a supercomputer cross the 1 billion pound&#x2F;euro&#x2F;dollar mark.<p>Previous recent supercomputers seem to have cost in the low nine figures.<p>I realize the price tag includes a decade of operation but that still seems like quite a leap.
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lambertsimnelover 5 years ago
A previous Met Office supercomputer purchase was discussed here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8519820" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8519820</a>
TrolTureover 5 years ago
From an outside perspective I have to wonder if a billion pound investment in forecasting&#x2F;science would not deliver better long term ROI.
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