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Neurons can operate in reverse

79 pointsby joshruleover 14 years ago

9 comments

tgflynnover 14 years ago
What I find surprising about this type of news is why the brain would need so much complexity.<p>It seems to me that a network with 10^11 neurons and 10^14 synapses should have sufficient computational power to carry out the information processing tasks that humans perform using only simple function neurons.<p>This belief is based on the following observations : - I have personal experience with ANN's with only thousands of nodes that are able to rival humans at handwriting recognition. - Current computers are far from being powerful enough to simulate a 10^14 synapse ANN yet they seem to be rapidly approaching human level performance on many cognitive tasks (ie. Watson).<p>If individual neurons are as complex as recent research results suggest I wonder what all that computational power is being used for. Or is the human brain just hopelessly inefficient as an information processing machine ? Maybe it's such a recent development that evolution just hasn't had time to get things right.
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a-prioriover 14 years ago
I didn't think this was new... I remember hearing about this effect last year and having it attributed to Oligodendrocytes, I believe.<p>That said, it's a very important development, because until the last few years the glial cells have mostly been considered to be support cells (e.g. supplying nutrients to the neurons, removing waste products and dead cells, myelinating axons, etc.). But, now we know that they can affect the surrounding neurons and may play a role in things like learning and memory.
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ihodesover 14 years ago
Here's the Nature paper if anyone's interested (from Dec 2010) <a href="http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v14/n2/full/nn.2728.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v14/n2/full/nn.2728.html</a><p>We had known previously that the axons could send messenger proteins back to the soma (cell body), thus modulating transmitter productions, and could have an inhibitory or excitatory effect on the cell as a whole. We were also aware of axo-axonic synapses, whereby axons could inhibit other axons (among some other things).<p>EDIT: The above is just extremely brief background of well-known facts about axon messaging.
marshrayover 14 years ago
What else can they do "after all" ?<p>Is it simply a matter of time before we find a quantum computer in there?
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iwwrover 14 years ago
I wonder if this will have applications to synthetic modeling of the neuron.
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guscostover 14 years ago
If the network has significant feedback, couldn't these slower "backward" signals be understood in a similar fashion as a fast-moving propeller that appears to reverse direction? I'm curious about how they measured this, but I don't have thirty dollars to spend.
DavidSTOabout 14 years ago
Info/background:<p>"...Maintenance of presynaptic inputs may depend on a post-synaptic factor that is transported from the terminal back toward the soma."<p>-Neuron: Cell and Molecular Biology (1st edition c 1991)
tjmaxalover 14 years ago
Anyone else immediately jump to PTSD when they read this?
drstrangevibesover 14 years ago
so nature does backward propagation!