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Why to Start a Startup in a Bad Economy (2008)

196 pointsby razinabout 5 years ago

16 comments

awbabout 5 years ago
For those new to a tough economy, here&#x27;s my story from 2008:<p>I was laid off from the digital agency I worked at. I had been trying to find a new job for a while but no one was hiring at the income I needed to pay the mortgage on the house I just bought.<p>So, I started my own digital agency. I tried to think of ways to make their model better&#x2F;faster&#x2F;cheaper. Better: I would routinely measure the impact of my work. Faster: I would do it myself, no teams slowing things down. Cheaper: I&#x27;d charge half of what my old company was charging.<p>The business grew considerably despite the economic tough times. Everyone was looking for great work at cheap rates and I was willing to work long hours (8am - 3am for a few months to get off the ground).<p>As the economy improved I hired a team, raised my rates and worked reasonable hours again. After 5 years it was a successful enough venture that I was able to sell the business.<p>It&#x27;s possible to make a great living in a bad economy, but you need some luck, some skill and a lot of hard work in my experience.
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brenden2about 5 years ago
This is easy to say when you have capital or access to capital. Having lived most of my life quite poor, I find it somewhat frustrating to hear things like this. When you can&#x27;t afford food, rent, health insurance, etc, the last thing you&#x27;re thinking about is dumping your life savings into a new business that has a 90% chance of failure.
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stoicShellabout 5 years ago
There is one word missing from this post that contains a whole lot of the argument on the environment side: <i>chaos</i>.<p>Those who learn to thrive in chaos are most dangerous out there, for they have this contrarian impulse to rise when there&#x27;s blood in the streets. If you recall a history lesson or two, that&#x27;s how the most egregious powers are made —in wealth or might or legacy.<p>Right now, some of us are down —the situation is draining, energy-wise— whereas others feel invigorated, a drive to take action, make a move.<p>How we respond to chaos thus creates a big divide among us in times of major perturbation. There&#x27;s this shift of potentials in the system, and kinetics go crazy, and some flee&#x2F;freeze (seek security, refuge, maintaining the status quo, conservatively preserve what&#x27;s left, etc) while others feel compelled to fight (to defend, protect, help; but also attack, kick in the disruptive nuts, solve problem, seek victory). For those, it could be the perfect storm to attempt a moonshot — I find there&#x27;s a really unusual proportion of such stories among famous successful figures in virtually all fields, but I wonder if it&#x27;s not survivorship bias + myth building + my own filters.
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5445455about 5 years ago
If you want try start a startup in a bad economy come to my country, Argentina, and you will have de full package. Sometimes I read comments or blog post about the risks or the &quot;bad economy situation&quot; in first-world countries and a little smile on my face appears. If you really want to test yourself come here.
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quaquaqua1about 5 years ago
&gt;<i>What if you quit your job to start a startup that fails, and you can&#x27;t find another? That could be a problem if you work in sales or marketing. In those fields it can take months to find a new job in a bad economy. But hackers seem to be more liquid. Good hackers can always get some kind of job. It might not be your dream job, but you&#x27;re not going to starve.</i><p>Probably true but I think I would prefer the safe bet over the risky one. Why would I pass up on a 100% chance to make 100k when someone is offering a 0.01% chance to make a few million?<p>If the job was remote, maybe my mind would change. But VCs are asking us to cram into cities with $4000 rent for reasons they can&#x27;t explain.<p>And most startup interviews these days are theater.
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JohnFenabout 5 years ago
I think how true this is depends on how you&#x27;re starting your business (specifically, how you&#x27;re funding the startup).<p>I&#x27;ve personally had greater success with starting business when the economy is down than when it is up. As near as I can tell, it&#x27;s because the field tends not to be as crowded. It&#x27;s easier to get attention to your business when there are fewer startups competing for attention.<p>Since I&#x27;ve always avoided using investment money or loans to fund ventures anyway, a down market doesn&#x27;t impact me as much as it does with many other approaches.
rexreedabout 5 years ago
Ok, no. This is a bad meme. Read the comments here and you can see why.<p>You know what startups came out of the 2008&#x2F;2009 recession? A car sharing company. A rooms-for-lease company. Many, many different delivery companies and a sh*t-ton of gig economy jobs.<p>Do you know what they all have in common? Taking advantage of people&#x27;s weak economic situation. That&#x27;s the sort of company that comes out of bad economies. The ones that take advantage of people being in poor economic situations.<p>But starting something that matters? You have to do it when customers can actually buy your products. And that takes a GOOD economy.<p>I can&#x27;t wait to see the slew of low-quality companies that come out of this next upcoming, inevitable recession
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sebastianconcptabout 5 years ago
<i>Fortunately the way to make a startup recession-proof is to do exactly what you should do anyway: run it as cheaply as possible. For years I&#x27;ve been telling founders that the surest route to success is to be the cockroaches of the corporate world. The immediate cause of death in a startup is always running out of money. So the cheaper your company is to operate, the harder it is to kill. And fortunately it has gotten very cheap to run a startup. A recession will if anything make it cheaper still.<p>If nuclear winter really is here, it may be safer to be a cockroach even than to keep your job. Customers may drop off individually if they can no longer afford you, but you&#x27;re not going to lose them all at once; markets don&#x27;t &quot;reduce headcount.&quot;<p>What if you quit your job to start a startup that fails, and you can&#x27;t find another? That could be a problem if you work in sales or marketing. In those fields it can take months to find a new job in a bad economy. But hackers seem to be more liquid. Good hackers can always get some kind of job. It might not be your dream job, but you&#x27;re not going to starve.<p>Another advantage of bad times is that there&#x27;s less competition. Technology trains leave the station at regular intervals. If everyone else is cowering in a corner, you may have a whole car to yourself.<p>You&#x27;re an investor too. As a founder, you&#x27;re buying stock with work: the reason Larry and Sergey are so rich is not so much that they&#x27;ve done work worth tens of billions of dollars, but that they were the first investors in Google. And like any investor you should buy when times are bad.</i>
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inventthedayabout 5 years ago
I get what he&#x27;s saying, but the majority of the richest people in history were born ~20 years before the early American Industrial&#x2F;Steel boom or ~20 years before the internet was popularized. Macro is important from a population level perspective.
wexxyabout 5 years ago
Can I pay my rent in startup ideas?
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travisjungrothabout 5 years ago
I’m working on ideas for a new startup and this is a very different economy than three weeks ago. The Dow is down 24% in that time. Overall, I think my chances are better.<p>Raising that friends and family round might be tougher, since some people are feeling less rich than they did. Others will be looking for a hedge.<p>I’m targeting B2B SaaS, and there’s certainly going to be some purse string tightening. But I imagine there will still be room for low-cost tools with a 10x ROÍ, which is the surest way to be successful, anyway.<p>The biggest advantage I have going is flexibility. Right now I can turn on a dime, which a public company, or even a Series B, can’t really do.
greendaveabout 5 years ago
A timely reminder (was that really only 12 years ago?).<p>But (maybe a big but), recessions are not all created equal. Seems the unknowns are a lot different this time around.
bernardlunnabout 5 years ago
Brilliant post that inspired me to do this research when I was at ReadWrite:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;readwrite.com&#x2F;2009&#x2F;04&#x2F;30&#x2F;what-do-vcs-say-and-do-in-early-stage-today&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;readwrite.com&#x2F;2009&#x2F;04&#x2F;30&#x2F;what-do-vcs-say-and-do-in-e...</a>
catchmeifyoucanabout 5 years ago
Exactly what I needed - thanks PG. Didn&#x27;t really know what to make of the current situation.<p>Another gem that always gets me going: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;vb.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;vb.html</a>
simonswords82about 5 years ago
Sweat equity increases in value as the amount of money being invested in startups diminishes
EGregabout 5 years ago
If you don’t want to start a startup, just invest in one.<p>One that is derisked and not yet IPO.<p>But usually only accredited investors can do that. Another way that the Federal government helps the rich get richer.<p>PS: The JOBS act changed that with Rule 506b but you have to convince startups to use it
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