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Zoom monitors activity on your computer

405 pointsby kangaxabout 5 years ago

24 comments

discreditableabout 5 years ago
When someone sends you a zoom invite, cancel the download, then click the having problems link to download again. Cancel it again. It will show you a link to join by browser.<p>A few other meeting apps have dark patterns like this. One of my favorite things about Hangouts Meet is it&#x27;s web first.
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digitalbossabout 5 years ago
via Zoom Support Reply: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;zoom_us&#x2F;status&#x2F;1241768006327336963" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;zoom_us&#x2F;status&#x2F;1241768006327336963</a><p>&quot;Hi, attention tracking feature is off by default - once enabled, hosts can tell if participants have the App open and active when the screen-sharing feature is in use. It does not track any aspects of your audio&#x2F;video or other applications on your window.&quot;<p>Points to this article: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.zoom.us&#x2F;hc&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;articles&#x2F;115000538083-Attendee-attention-tracking" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.zoom.us&#x2F;hc&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;articles&#x2F;115000538083-Atten...</a>
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Mathnerd314about 5 years ago
EFF seems to be the source: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;deeplinks&#x2F;2020&#x2F;03&#x2F;what-you-should-know-about-online-tools-during-covid-19-crisis" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;deeplinks&#x2F;2020&#x2F;03&#x2F;what-you-should-know-a...</a><p>&gt; If attendees of a meeting do not have the Zoom video window in focus during a call where the host is screen-sharing, after 30 seconds the host can see indicators next to each participant’s name indicating that the Zoom window is not active.<p>It doesn&#x27;t seem too invasive, although of course it&#x27;d still be annoying if you have two monitors etc.
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EGregabout 5 years ago
That’s why we have been building <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qbix.com&#x2F;platform" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qbix.com&#x2F;platform</a><p>To have an open source alternative. Want videoconferencing on your own site? You can! See here for instance.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;yang2020.app&#x2F;meeting" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;yang2020.app&#x2F;meeting</a><p>We have a harder challenge of making all the SDP offers work cross browser, but Chrome should def work.<p>Code: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Qbix" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Qbix</a> (If you like it, star it lol ⭐️)<p>Contact me if you want to learn how to use the Qbix platform. I will be teaching classes and put it online. We are following the wordpress model. My email is in <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qbix.com&#x2F;about" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qbix.com&#x2F;about</a><p><i>Quick question for the networking experts here... with everyone connecting from home, what percentage are behind a LAN firewall that you need to use TURN servers? What if you avoided those servers and made peer to peer infra entirely, how many people would we lose?</i><p><i>(Is a complete graph of everyone sending to everyone worse than an SFU once you get too many users? Isn’t it exactly the same number of streams, just in a star topology? Can’t we just nominate a few of the browsers to do what the SFU does, namely forwarding video to the others? Is the issue only with resolution?)</i>
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DyslexicAtheistabout 5 years ago
this isn&#x27;t the first time zoom got caught red-handed[1]. Last year they were called out for installing a local web server in order to disable security controls to get around the deprecated NPAPI[2] ... this is literally what malware does.<p>About the same time this story broke I interviewed for a Paris based AppSec company and their CTO asked me to install Zoom. It was really awkward because I had to ask: &quot;Is this a trick question??&quot;<p>Seriously I wouldn&#x27;t touch Zoom with a 20 foot stick!<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;bugbountywriteup&#x2F;zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-maybe-an-rce-just-get-them-to-visit-your-website-ac75c83f4ef5" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;bugbountywriteup&#x2F;zoom-zero-day-4-million-...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;NPAPI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;NPAPI</a>
threatofrainabout 5 years ago
From <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;zoom.us&#x2F;privacy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;zoom.us&#x2F;privacy</a>:<p>&gt; Whether you have Zoom account or not, we may collect Personal Data from or about you when you use or otherwise interact with our Products. We may gather the following categories of Personal Data about you:<p>&gt; - Information commonly used to identify you, such as your name, user name, physical address, email address, phone numbers, and other similar identifiers<p>&gt; - Information about your job, such as your title and employer<p>&gt; - Credit&#x2F;debit card or other payment information<p>&gt; - Facebook profile information (when you use Facebook to log-in to our Products or to create an account for our Products)<p>&gt; - General information about your product and service preferences<p>&gt; - Information about your device, network, and internet connection, such as your IP address(es), MAC address, other device ID (UDID), device type, operating system type and version, and client version<p>&gt; - Information about your usage of or other interaction with our Products (“Usage Information”)<p>&gt; - Other information you upload, provide, or create while using the service (&quot;Customer Content&quot;), as further detailed in the “Customer Content” section below
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lghhabout 5 years ago
Downside of what may be a societal long term shift to work from home is even LESS privacy. I find that ironic, but not surprising.
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anonuabout 5 years ago
That&#x27;s messed up. Our zoom usage at the company has skyrocketed these past few weeks. I was marveling at how smooth and seamless the process was. Though I was a bit peeved zoom always steers you to the installed app instead of keeping it in the browser. Now I know why...
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jfolkinsabout 5 years ago
Super timely. Even on my linux box I noticed yesterday that zoom, even though I had &quot;closed&quot; the application, was still running `ps -ef | grep zoom` so I killed it.<p>After reading this, I&#x27;ve deleted it too. Super weird.
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barbsabout 5 years ago
Does <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jitsi.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jitsi.org&#x2F;</a> solve these problems?
scarface74about 5 years ago
Is anyone surprised?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zdnet.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;zoom-defends-use-of-local-web-server-on-macs-after-security-report&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zdnet.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;zoom-defends-use-of-local-web-...</a>
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madwhitehatterabout 5 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;kateoflahertyuk&#x2F;2020&#x2F;03&#x2F;25&#x2F;zooms-a-lifeline-during-covid-19-this-is-why-its-also-a-privacy-risk&#x2F;#195e68d328ba" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;kateoflahertyuk&#x2F;2020&#x2F;03&#x2F;25&#x2F;zoom...</a><p>Still seeing loads of red flags in mainstream media. This is not a Secure business tool
change_yourselfabout 5 years ago
Truly, I was passing an online interview on programming position, and almost in the end of the process I had remembered that I could be asked on the design patterns, I opened browser, came to the site with patterns&#x27; descriptions and... the interviewer&#x27;s last questions was: &quot;I think that&#x27;s all... But I have yet one question on the design patterns.&quot;
lostmsuabout 5 years ago
I made a simple sandboxed WebView wrapper for Windows, that should address the privacy issue and remove the annoying need to deal with constant &quot;download the app&quot; nagging: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;losttech.software&#x2F;Downloads&#x2F;FuZoom&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;losttech.software&#x2F;Downloads&#x2F;FuZoom&#x2F;</a>
skcabout 5 years ago
Now is probably the worst possible time to reveal this news.<p>Because right now, people have much more pressing matters and need to communicate.
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thorumabout 5 years ago
Thanks for the heads up, just uninstalled.
jvanveenabout 5 years ago
Working on a webbased foss sip&#x2F;WebRTC&#x2F;p2p conferencing solution(WIP): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;garage11&#x2F;ca11" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;garage11&#x2F;ca11</a>
yadongwenabout 5 years ago
Is it related to screen sharing? They allow sharing a specific window. Without knowing about other processes you may not share the window. You have to specifically allow it in System Preference on Mac though.
fulldecent2about 5 years ago
I don&#x27;t use Zoom. But I&#x27;ll assume it&#x27;s the same as Google Meet and so now I&#x27;ll complain about Google Meet.<p>1. When the call quality is less than 100%, it is difficult to attribute this blame to the other person, my equipment, my connection, or the service provider. A heartbeat signal could fix this.<p>2. When somebody else is presenting, I can&#x27;t point on THEIR screen. I have fumble through &quot;higher, higher, too high, it&#x27;s on the bar, do you see the bar?, yes, click on that one, you&#x27;re right it doesn&#x27;t really look like a pencil does it?&quot;
EastSmithabout 5 years ago
Pretty low move by Zoom. Again. There is nothing in their interface letting users know they&#x27;ve been monitored. Nothing.
griphookabout 5 years ago
Does anybody have a good alternative to zoom that does not do this?
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magwa101about 5 years ago
Yeah, hello, delete it.
yuva123about 5 years ago
Hello all I am taking cless via zoom meeting someone come and type fuck you how can find who is he can you help me in this how can find id and ip address
smitty1eabout 5 years ago
Goes without saying that there is massive &quot;pattern of life&quot; info emitted by what you attend and with whom.<p>No wonder it&#x27;s such a great little product.