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Tailscale has reached general availability

221 pointsby kenroseabout 5 years ago

22 comments

shoabout 5 years ago
I&#x27;ve said this before - I really love the concept but I can&#x27;t get past the pricing. I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;m cheap, but I work in a startup and have to justify what I spend, and USD$10&#x2F;user&#x2F;month is very steep for the hard-to-explain benefit of doing away with jump servers. I already use Wireguard, I have a script to add users, update configs and bounce the servers.. it&#x27;s not as cool and automatic and &quot;zero trust&quot; but it also doesn&#x27;t cost hundreds of dollars per month to access my own servers I&#x27;m already paying for!<p>GSuite is easy to justify for me. Github is. JIRA is. Tailscale is more expensive than all of them and it&#x27;s hard for me to make the case, even to myself, that it&#x27;s worth it.<p>I&#x27;d like to ask Tailscale to think about alternative pricing models of maybe $20&#x2F;month per admin account, which comes with 10 bundled &quot;member&quot; accounts or similar. That would get me to $40 or $60 a month, which I can stomach. But I won&#x27;t pay $300+&#x2F;month to save myself a little bit of inconvenience every few weeks so my devs can securely log into our servers.
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jedieastonabout 5 years ago
I don&#x27;t know if it&#x27;s really ready without what they&#x27;re calling &quot;magic DNS&quot;: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tailscale.com&#x2F;kb&#x2F;1054&#x2F;dns" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tailscale.com&#x2F;kb&#x2F;1054&#x2F;dns</a><p>Something that bugs me about ZeroTier is also present here, which is that there&#x27;s no name management whatsoever, so I have to either keep a hosts file around with all the names of the network or find a script on GitHub that does it for me (or put a DNS server on the Tailscale network, and make sure all the hosts have records on there manually since there isn&#x27;t a way to automatically integrate it with the hostnames that Tailscale already logs). Or, of course, use public records and pray you don&#x27;t have more than a couple services because who wants to log in to the domain host every time you bring up a new container?<p>Half the magic of BeyondCorp (which I&#x27;m a big believer in) is that it&#x27;s invisible from an end user perspective. I open a browser, go to git.corp.planeteaston.com, and it works, not &quot;let&#x27;s go to gitlab... it didn&#x27;t resolve. what was the IP address again? 192.168.10-oh, wait, I&#x27;m offsite, the address is different, let&#x27;s go see what it is in the Tailscale console&quot;, and a tech person could figure that out, maybe, never mind a computer-illiterate person in another department that was just told &quot;go home, coronavirus, take your laptop&quot;.<p>This isn&#x27;t a knock, since the main competitor, ZeroTier, doesn&#x27;t have a great solution for DNS either besides run a DNS server, but whoever cracks it will probably win this race. And it&#x27;s almost worse for ZeroTier, which by default (at least when I started using it 2-ish years ago), wanted you to use IPv6 addresses by default that there was no chance of you memorizing. I&#x27;ll be a customer when this works!
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steeveabout 5 years ago
Been using it for the last few months and it&#x27;s great. I use it for SSH, NAS etc...<p>Also, being able to ping my iOS phone that&#x27;s on 4G from my computer feels like magic.
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kaffeeabout 5 years ago
Seems like it requires a Google or Microsoft account (or corporate SAML). No thanks!
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sbaha88about 5 years ago
Sorry for off-topic, but does anyone know which css library Tailscale used for their blog?<p>Looks very nice and clean.
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yingw787about 5 years ago
Very nice! Congratulations on launching, and looking forward to seeing your success in the coming years!
bawanaabout 5 years ago
If a site within a tail scale net is compromised, does that make all of the other sites instantly compromised on that net?
royjacobsabout 5 years ago
Looks really interesting! For my use case I&#x27;d really want that Android app, but other than that this looks solid.
lwhsiaoabout 5 years ago
Can someone comment on the tradeoffs between Tailscale and ZeroTier?
sbr464about 5 years ago
Nice service, was just testing it out. I had one question&#x2F;issue. Will the pings heal automatically if a device changes internet connections or wifi providers? I noticed I had to disable and re-enable the active toggle on an ipad after changing wifi networks (local wifi to phone&#x2F;LTE). I didn&#x27;t have to if simply disconnecting&#x2F;reconnecting to the same wifi network.
zhaowenyabout 5 years ago
According to the blog[1], Tailscale currently have a relay network for relaying traffic when NAT traversal does not work.<p>I wish one day Tailscale allows private relay server, for privacy and speed &#x2F; latency reasons.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tailscale.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;how-tailscale-works&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tailscale.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;how-tailscale-works&#x2F;</a>
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reinhardt1053about 5 years ago
Why my team should pay Tailscale 10 dollars&#x2F;user&#x2F;month? We can get the same features with Wireguard&#x2F;OpenVPN.
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e12eabout 5 years ago
Congratulations on launch! The solo tier looks very nice and useful (except for missing Android client for now). Low the sign-up flow, very easy.<p>This looks very similar to ZeroTier - apart from building on wireguard - how do the solutions differ? Is tailscale also a true mesh (ie packets go direct between two tailscale nodes on a lan)?
j88439h84about 5 years ago
In &quot;The asymmetry of internet identity&quot; you&#x27;re describing a problem and currently Tailscale doesn&#x27;t solve it -- it relies on google&#x2F;ms&#x2F;etc for identity.<p>I&#x27;m curious if it&#x27;d be possible to avoid using brands by just authorizing device ids like Syncthing does, without any login at all.
RabbitmqGuyabout 5 years ago
How about we add another pricing plan. It&#x27;s for people who like me are happy with the free plan, but still want to somehow give you money without upgrading to the $10&#x2F;user plan.<p>Bonus points if you call the plan, the wireguard plan; and 90% of the payments go to Jason Donenfeld.
brunoqcabout 5 years ago
Can you use tailscale with friends or does it only work with the same email address?
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nodesocketabout 5 years ago
In the dashboard, there is no link to support. There should also be a way to create a support ticket or even better live chat.<p>I am getting intermittent errors in the dashboard as well.
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nojvekabout 5 years ago
From the website<p>&gt; We’re announcing our public launch today, with a $3M seed round →<p>Seed rounds are now 3M, wow!<p>I wonder how they seemlessly authenticate with Okta, Google, Active Directory e.t.c ?
mleonhardabout 5 years ago
Do you plan to release a Terraform provider for configuring Tailscale?
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sbr464about 5 years ago
Is there a pfsense integration?
nubelaabout 5 years ago
Is talescale really that popular? Who are upvoting these articles?
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armaxtabout 5 years ago
I will get banned for this in a matter of minutes but I will say the truth to whoever think HN is fair. For the past 3 months, every, again EVERY post that was linked to Tailscale (not just the company domain but also the blog posts of the founders&#x27; websites), has gotten to the frontpage within minutes, with a full 100% hit rate. This cannot happen for any company, any project or anything else to be honest since there is a thread that gets posted every minute on average, and almost every thread, no matter how great it is, goes forgotten forever without a single upvote. This doesn&#x27;t happen to even trillion dollar companies that are known by almost everybody so certainly this can&#x27;t happen for a company of 5 people that was started only last year and hardly known by anybody. Nothing can get to HN&#x27;s frontpage at a hit rate of 100% especially when you know this has been happening on almost a weekly basis since last December not to mention the daily promotion in comments on literally everything that has anything to do with WireGuard or even VPNs.<p>HN simply favors some founders who have good network over the rest of us. I know that organized upovting and astroturfing isn&#x27;t uncommon here, but there has never been anything anywhere near that&#x27;s being done by this company and its founders here. This is simply free advertising worth of hundreds of thousands of dollars for free simply because the founders &quot;know people&quot;.<p>EDIT: Thank you HN for proving me right! This comment has 42 points as of now and it&#x27;s buried in the bottom below almost every other comment. Still not a response from the founders who very coincidentally happen to exist literally during every time a post about their company gets submitted!
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