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Why Russia fears Sweden’s submarines

90 pointsby gullyfurabout 5 years ago

8 comments

bryanrasmussenabout 5 years ago
I guess I would say that Russia does not fear Sweden&#x27;s submarines, and that the article does not make an adequate argument that it does. What Russia has a problem with is one that it has had for centuries and been unable to resolve.<p>Since the end of the Great Northern War Russia&#x27;s best ports are on the Baltic, and Russia has had a large strategic focus on the North - reference <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.doria.fi&#x2F;bitstream&#x2F;handle&#x2F;10024&#x2F;156474&#x2F;sundberg_ulf.pdf?sequence=1&amp;isAllowed=y" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.doria.fi&#x2F;bitstream&#x2F;handle&#x2F;10024&#x2F;156474&#x2F;sundberg_...</a> - but the Baltic is in a lousy strategic placement. If you were playing a military game you would want to expend a lot of manpower and economic might to get other ports that you could use, but they have never really managed this because unlike a military board game you can&#x27;t just roll the dice a bunch of times and move your counters into Iran and solve your problems. I mean Russia won the war, but they didn&#x27;t win the war enough to not be hemmed in by the Kattegat and better positions of Denmark and Sweden in the area.<p>Sweden&#x27;s submarines are just the latest iteration of this long term problem.
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CalChrisabout 5 years ago
<i>And they aren’t even nuclear powered.</i><p>Since those subs are defensive (defensive attack subs) and don’t need to roam the seven seas, nuclear power wouldn’t offer much. Moreover, diesel subs running electric are very quiet.
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andreig2191about 5 years ago
Clicked the link thinking that this would be some sort of grander geopolitical argument(alliances, treaties, borders, size of fleet).<p>I have instead finally crawled out of the rabbit hole that is international submarine comparison (think <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gsmarena.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gsmarena.com&#x2F;</a> or <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;zIjngBAxTr4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;zIjngBAxTr4</a> (This could be a post on its own (Do you guys think the iPhone 1 with updated internals could outsell the newest iPhone? Is this actually the newest SE ?)).<p>What was most surprising to me is that there is a standardized way to become an international submarine dealer. What if I told you that a Master’s Degree in Conflict Resolution from Georgetown University could land you such career. I don&#x27;t know about you, but I was shocked!<p>I have a final question. How does Sweden&#x27;s purchase choices on the submarine market explain Russia&#x27;s fear of their submarines? Actually, after rereading the article, I&#x27;m not even sure what the author&#x27;s whole point is?<p>I will now go to bed very confused about submarines :(
scorecardabout 5 years ago
A Stirling engine powered Swedish sub sank the USS Ronald Reagan in a war game exercise. It was able to get within range of the aircraft carrier because the Stirling engine is very quiet. For more about Stirling engines, I recommend reading: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;science-and-technology&#x2F;2013&#x2F;11&#x2F;30&#x2F;stirling-silver" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;science-and-technology&#x2F;2013&#x2F;11&#x2F;30&#x2F;...</a>
hirundoabout 5 years ago
Dear Kockums, could you please quote one (1) medium sized A26 configured without weapons for use as a private yacht? Will I need permission from the State Department for that? Regards...
bryanrasmussenabout 5 years ago
I too would fear something - if it were deadly.
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m0zgabout 5 years ago
Of all the countries Russia fears, Sweden is _way_ towards the bottom of the list. Source: have a brain, am a Russian.
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Igelauabout 5 years ago
Facts about the Kockums:<p>&gt; stretching them out from forty-eight to sixty meters<p>It reaches a prodigious length.<p>&gt; hull will also be unusually resilient to underwater explosions<p>It&#x27;s hard.<p>&gt; a special ‘multi-mission’ portal for deploying special forces<p>It&#x27;s ready to unload high-quality seamen.<p>If they staged an invasion of America, when the tears of laughter finally subsided, we&#x27;d already be completely conquered.