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Ask HN: Is there ANY scientific evidence of 5G being harmful

29 pointsby andrewseanryanabout 5 years ago
I see lots of people talking about negative health effects from 5G but I have never seen any evidence. It is always some guy talking on YouTube or equivalent. If there is any actual evidence, I would like to see it. It looks like conspiracy theory to me but I haven’t done enough personal research to pass judgement.

12 comments

dublinabout 5 years ago
Wackiness aside, there is some evidence that some wireless technologies can and do present real dangers (e.g., a Scandanavian study a few years back that showed pelvic blade bone density was as much as 30% less on the side men carried their GSM phones on their belts.)<p>5G is also a horribly imprecise term - it can include anything from 600 MHz UHF to 40 GHz mm wave, and widely varying modulation and power control schemes. The lower bands are probably not a problem, as we&#x27;ve been using some of them for quite a while, though not on our persons. The mm-wave and THz stuff really is a huge unknown.<p>One problem is that these technologies don&#x27;t ever get seriously tested for biological effects: They just get deployed due to industry&#x2F;govt&#x2F;carrier&#x2F;market pressure, and by the time we have enough data to even know therer might be a danger (viz, the GSM study above), we&#x27;re already experimenting on the population as test subjects for the next generation of risk. At least as much as the frequency, the modulation method seems to matter, too, with the very sharp-edged full-power square waves of TSM&#x2F;GSM type signals probably being considerably worse than the noise-like CDMA, for instance. (IMO, there is probably no current (4G&#x2F;5G) LTE technology that is nearly as safe as CDMA.) More recent research does seem to show that there are RF health effects that are NOT related to heating, but heating is the only thing any of the gov&#x27;t&#x2F;industry &quot;RF safety&quot; regs cover.<p>This really is one of those areas where an honest person is forced to recognize that we have no idea what we don&#x27;t know. RF and biology is a barely studied field, yet we know that many (most? all?) living things do have biophoton systems that we don&#x27;t understand, and have largely ignored. 5G could be heinously dangerous, or relatively benign. So the answer to your question is no, there isn&#x27;t (much) solid evidence yet that 5G is dangerous, and we won&#x27;t really know for many years. But neither is there any actual evidence that it is safe and harmless...
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ehutch79about 5 years ago
No.<p>There&#x27;s questions about the general increase of wireless traffic in general, but nothing has be proven at all since cell phones came about. Let alone microwaves, or household appliances. At least not to my knowledge.
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mrtonypinoabout 5 years ago
Not a scientific study, but a notable anecdote that struck me a while ago. Firefighters in SF reported a host of symptoms after a 5G unit was placed on their station: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;01&#x2F;25&#x2F;consumerwatch-5g-cellphone-towers-signal-renewed-concerns-over-impacts-on-health&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;01&#x2F;25&#x2F;consumerwatch-5...</a>
tangent-manabout 5 years ago
This page seems to have a fair few links to legit scientific studies on the dangers of 5G and related technologies.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ehtrust.org&#x2F;science&#x2F;cell-towers-and-cell-antennae&#x2F;compilation-of-research-studies-on-cell-tower-radiation-and-health&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ehtrust.org&#x2F;science&#x2F;cell-towers-and-cell-antennae&#x2F;co...</a><p>I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s a simple matter of: non-ionizing radiotion=safe.
sosilkjabout 5 years ago
there are some interesting links in this HN comment regarding this question:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20038570" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20038570</a><p>in general, research on RF radiation can take time to wade through and you might not arrive at a satisfying answer one way or the other.
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runjakeabout 5 years ago
Pro-tip: this happened when EDGE, 3G, and 4G were released and in all of the above cases, were debunked.
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tangent-manabout 5 years ago
In my opinion your better off asking this question on a biomedical forum as Computer Programmers and Electronics Engineers seem to have a conflict of interest regarding this for some reason.
drummerabout 5 years ago
Yes <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.europarl.europa.eu&#x2F;RegData&#x2F;etudes&#x2F;BRIE&#x2F;2020&#x2F;646172&#x2F;EPRS_BRI(2020)646172_EN.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.europarl.europa.eu&#x2F;RegData&#x2F;etudes&#x2F;BRIE&#x2F;2020&#x2F;6461...</a>
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buboardabout 5 years ago
no but we also need evidence that it&#x27;s useful
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daemonspudguyabout 5 years ago
Not that I&#x27;ve seen.
celticninjaabout 5 years ago
no
redis_mlcabout 5 years ago
The science-based answer is that it depends on the frequency and effect on human tissue.<p>So mounting a telco transmitter on your roof is probably bad for you, similar to being inside a microwave oven.<p>Holding it pressed against your ear while talking is also probably bad for you depending on duration, but mfgs. do tests at various distances from your ear.<p>If you&#x27;re a real estate agent using your mobile phone all day, I&#x27;d use an earpiece and put the phone on your desk away from your body.