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Why is Multi-Cloud a Hard Problem?

82 pointsby atopiaabout 5 years ago

9 comments

hn_throwaway_99about 5 years ago
&gt; Why use true multi-cloud clusters?<p>&gt; Two reasons: Disaster recovery and freedom from vendor lock in.<p>In my experience, those two reasons are almost never sufficient to warrant a multi-cloud solution. The costs for multi-cloud are enormous. Another commenter mentioned egress costs, but there are numerous other costs:<p>1. You&#x27;ve added a <i>lot</i> of complexity on top of existing cloud solutions. That complexity can make things fail in unique ways that may make some of your cherished reliability benefits moot.<p>2. You are always coding to the &quot;lowest common denominator&quot; of any cloud service, meaning you&#x27;re missing out on a ton of productivity by forgoing useful services.<p>I&#x27;m just curious if anyone can comment that has experience actually using multi-cloud, and was it worth it?
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9nGQluzmnq3Mabout 5 years ago
One key missing factor: live replication across three clouds is not just a technical problem, but a cost problem, because the egress costs will be murderous.
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different_sortabout 5 years ago
The article was a good read, but I wanted to try to answer this from the perspective of a fortune 100 enterprise (I work for one, in their cloud team).<p>We&#x27;re starting a journey on Azure and AWS at once with limited financial resources, and limited talent(it&#x27;s tough to hire in cloud skills to work for us, and our stack is so old it&#x27;s not an easy transition for people who only know that). Operating AWS and Azure and require different skill sets and different approaches and they&#x27;re far from transferable. All the tools and techniques we develop or acquire for managing AWS are not applicable to Azure and vice versa, and because we&#x27;re splitting our effort between the two everything takes twice as long.<p>I think the right way for a company like us to approach this would be to go &quot;all in&quot; in one, build expertise and offer a lot of value back to the business, then look to build out the second cloud to meet your BCP&#x2F;Cost Savings goals.
k__about 5 years ago
Funny thing is, if those multi-cloud proponents would go in 100% on one provider, things would go much smoother and they would have less reasons to go multi-cloud in the end.<p>But yeah, when I look at the rate that some companies sunset their products, I understand the fear a bit.
fookerabout 5 years ago
Multi-anything is a hard problem.
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boris-ning-usdsabout 5 years ago
I&#x27;m dealing with similar problems - trying to setup direct connection between AWS and Azure.<p>How does planetscale handle the complexity of DIY classic VPN and ensuring a high availability on those VPN links - and ensuring that a certain amount of throughput can be sustained?<p>Is there a requirement for planetscale to create a full network mesh between all cloud providers, all regions? I&#x27;m assuming that it&#x27;s more selective because it becomes untenable as more cloud regions pop out requiring (n * (n-1))&#x2F;2 VPN links where n is the number of cloud regions.<p>Happy to learn anything I can here. Thanks for the blog post.
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2ionabout 5 years ago
&gt; Abhi: Hi team! On the level of our Kubernetes operator, what do you think was the hardest challenge in making multi-cloud databases work?<p>Multi-cloud is a network problem. Ask anybody who knows what they&#x27;re doing: is it the best idea to have dependencies over WAN? No. Can it be a solution to a problem? Yes, but what&#x27;s your problem? PlanetScale might have a case if their product <i>sells.<p></i>Then* only come the platform problems.
alex_youngabout 5 years ago
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jspaetzelabout 5 years ago
Square peg, round hole.