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Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions

287 pointsby rdslwabout 5 years ago

30 comments

rdslwabout 5 years ago
To make it clear: If you were google play music subscriber, which in 2014 offered plan with lifetime guarantee of price: You&#x27;ve been silently cancelled by Google :)<p>Upon contacting support, the only remedy they offer as for now is to subscribe to You Tube music (higher price and no lifetime guarantee) and are &#x27;investigating&#x27; while of course they hadnt provided any solution.<p>Additional info:<p>* you did not get ANY information about this cancellation, up to the moment people starting flooging their support which was yesterday :)<p>* at that moment, you probably got two cancellation mails without any usefull info<p>* this is Google problem&#x2F;action (not known atm), not your bank or CC<p>Additional info v2:<p>* Google did NOT try to do monhtly charges for the service on the usual date, bank&#x2F;CC confirms NOT a single charge attempt until, YTM resubsbription on support request.<p>* The problem affects probably (?) subscribers with renewal dates between April 1st and 12th (incl.) as on 13th Google noticed problems and stopped &quot;auto-cancel-feature&quot;.<p>Additional info v3:<p>* Looks like that only some subscribers (Europeans for sure) were affected by it, so smaller impact, maybe related to country of subscriber (unknown atm)<p>* It was probably part of the glitched (?) and multi-steps transition of google music to youtube music services (speculation atm)
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toygabout 5 years ago
Dark pattern to &quot;erode&quot; an unprofitable category of users...?<p>&quot;Oops, we had a technical problem and now your lifetime option is gone. Unfortunately we have no way to create new lifetime subscriptions, because of technical changes. As a goodwill gesture, here&#x27;s a free year on $some_other_yearly_service. Whatchagonnado, sue us for a few pennies? lolmao&quot;<p>Repeat a few times until everyone <i>gets the memo</i> or resource usage from that category goes under &quot;acceptable&quot; levels of waste.
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inergabout 5 years ago
I was affected by this as my plan was set to renew on the fourth. I was able to contact support and get my plan going again on the discounted rate. They ended up having to cancel my subscription and probably set some sort of flag for me to get the discounted pricing.<p>All in all while it was a bit of a pain I don&#x27;t think any malice was meant in this. I&#x27;m betting they had just set the end of the renewals on the subscription to April 2020 and figured if the service is still going they would update the end date.
crazygringoabout 5 years ago
A bunch of people here are commenting about how Google is silently cancelling a lifetime price guarantee.<p>But there&#x27;s nothing in the thread about any lifetime guarantee, and Googling I can&#x27;t find any reference either.<p>Does anyone have actual evidence that Google explicitly made a lifetime price guarantee? It just seems... unusual, not something subscription services generally do.<p>Also, this seems like more of a bug affecting some users, as opposed to intended policy. I mean, when Google cancels things, it usually provides months&#x2F;years of advance notice with lots of e-mails.<p>So I&#x27;m hesitant to jump in with my pitchfork here...
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dschuetzabout 5 years ago
It&#x27;s ironic how short a &quot;lifetime&quot; can be on the Internet.
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oftenwrongabout 5 years ago
Google Music is probably just following the typical path of a Google service:<p>1. Create something new in a given category and hype it up.<p>2. If it fails to catch on massively, neglect it. Make only minor changes, while competitors are continuously improving their offerings.<p>3. Leave that old service to rot until you decide to shut it down. Meanwhile, start over from step 1 with different branding.<p>I can&#x27;t say this is a poor strategy for a company like Google.
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jhoechtlabout 5 years ago
I will ditch Google Music for Youtube Music the moment they allow me to upload my MP3-collection. Any ETA on that or even plans to implement that?<p>If not, is there any other free service where I could upload my MP3 collection to, with an app for mobile which would sync the data between mobile devices?<p>On Youtube Google nags me since months (a year?) to switch to Youtube Music but I get less service there. I fear the moment I hastily tap to try and loose Google Music.
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option_greekabout 5 years ago
Google&#x27;s payment options page is one of the worst designs I have ever seen. A simple task like removing and adding an expired CC will make you wish you were never born. Their support basically is a loop of templated responses with Zero attempt at solving any issues (My guess is all google support agents are just bots).
bestnameeverabout 5 years ago
My subscription is still active and is due to renew today. I will let everyone know what happens.<p>fyi nobody is complaining about this on the youtubemusic reddit which is the one of the first places I think we would hear about it if this issue was widespread BUT maybe its regional and hasn&#x27;t hit the usa users yet.
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abrahamabout 5 years ago
&gt; Google responded to our inquiry to confirm that they are aware of the issue and working on fixing it.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.androidpolice.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;04&#x2F;09&#x2F;google-play-music-subscriptions-are-failing-to-auto-renew-for-some&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.androidpolice.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;04&#x2F;09&#x2F;google-play-music-s...</a>
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mangomanabout 5 years ago
I subscribed in 2016 when they were doing a special - $7.99&#x2F;mo lifetime including youtube premium. My subscription does not seem to be affected yet, although my renewal date is April 22nd, so I guess we&#x27;ll see what happens on that day.<p>Honestly I&#x27;ve been thinking about moving to spotify, but the youtube ad-free premium has kept me on google play music because it&#x27;s just not worth it to switch. But Google Play Music has not been updated in what feels like ages. And the iOS client is terrible (I only switched in the last 6 months).<p>Seems like they&#x27;re getting ready to pull the plug. I subscribed in Oct 2016, and over that time I&#x27;ve saved $2&#x2F;mo on equivalent music subscriptions and had youtube premium included (yeah yeah I know adblock or pihole or nextdns negates the value, but it&#x27;s nice to be able to use the youtube client on my phone without needing to set up those solutions). Net value has been $83 though I&#x27;ve paid for it with a drastically sub par music experience (sharing is pointless, can&#x27;t see what my friends listen to, playlist management is terrible).
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tomrodabout 5 years ago
SaaS and lifetime subscriptions don&#x27;t play well together.
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OrangeMangoabout 5 years ago
I personally never trust anything that says lifetime guarantee. It just can&#x27;t happen except in very unusual circumstances.<p>I do have an anecdote that disproves my theory, however. My grandmother used to be an AT&amp;T telephone operator, before they were broken up. As a retiree, she has &quot;free lifetime AT&amp;T&quot;, which they have been honoring even as the new company is not the company she retired from. She literally dials 0 and asks the person to connect her call for her. It costs her nothing.
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robkopabout 5 years ago
Does anyone have an easy way of exporting playlists&#x2F; liked songs out of google play music into some generic format (is there even a generic format for this kind of data)?<p>Currently getting really tired of google play music but I really dislike what Spotify is doing with postcasts so it feels like I&#x27;m stuck between a rock and a hard place on android.
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zelphirkaltabout 5 years ago
Google is just following the law: Like in law, where a life-long sentence does not necessarily mean life-long, at Google lifetime guarantee does not mean lifetime. Perhaps guarantee, but not lifetime.<p>(Don&#x27;t take this too seriously, especially not from me.)
ashtonkemabout 5 years ago
I know it&#x27;s a bad trope at this point, but you really have to assume that Google will change anything on you. They&#x27;re just not a consistent or good faith company to operate with, even compared to other companies in this space.
franciscopabout 5 years ago
I remember my friend complaining that the same happened with the GameMaker community few years back; there was a lifetime with all future major and minor version updates included, but then boom no longer applicable after few months:<p>Src: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forum.yoyogames.com&#x2F;index.php?threads&#x2F;why-do-i-have-to-pay-to-upgrade-my-license.24162&#x2F;#post-152842" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forum.yoyogames.com&#x2F;index.php?threads&#x2F;why-do-i-have-...</a>
bobblywobblesabout 5 years ago
For as much as we rely on their services and look to Google for advice on best practices and guidelines, time and time again services are simply dropped.<p>On one hand, yes as a company I imagine you sneak some sneaky verbiage in the ToS so that you can&#x27;t back yourself into a corner you can&#x27;t get out of, but offering a lifetime subscription and it just being canceled - I just can&#x27;t trust Google anymore to keep services up they &quot;promise&quot; will be there.
maxdoabout 5 years ago
This is the last drop. They ditched the google music in favor of half baked youtube music, with no playlist import, horrible offline support, tons of bugs that still there. I heard they are big somewhere in India. Well... good luck. I&#x27;m done and switching to Spotify. The only reason I was attracted by this terrible service was pricing. I subscribe from my country of origin at ~2 USD&#x2F;mo subscription. For that price, I was ok with their quality.
everdriveabout 5 years ago
Again, never subscribe to a service assuming the terms won&#x27;t change or be removed. Never assume that you &#x27;own&#x27; anything that lives in, or relies on a company&#x27;s cloud. This doesn&#x27;t mean that services are bad, but they should be seen as ephemeral.
catacombsabout 5 years ago
Never buy anything from Google.
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Gravitylossabout 5 years ago
Hmm. So I bought an album and a few songs there. They&#x27;re apparently gone and I get some flow asking for credit card details. Apparently trying to sign me in for google music?<p>Well, I had moved on to Spotify anyway.
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jamistevenabout 5 years ago
Does this mean we can get Songza back? Was pretty bummed out when google acquired them, really enjoyed that music app although Spotify basically has the same functionality now.
outside1234about 5 years ago
Sort of like the lifetime guarantee that GCP claims to offer (until next year when it&#x27;s shut down).<p>It&#x27;s sort of nuts to think anything Google does is going to be around in 5 years.
zmk_about 5 years ago
Reminds me how Google &quot;upgraded&quot; me to a better price when I moved from the Netherlands to Sweden. When I complained to them I got 3 months &quot;free trial&quot;.
puppyprogramabout 5 years ago
I was not on legacy but canceled my family plan anyway in solidarity. I guess back to piracy for me
ecmascriptabout 5 years ago
If you use adblocker, music.youtube.com is free and without any ads. At least for me.
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dbg31415about 5 years ago
Customer support, especially from Google, has been abysmal during Covid.<p>I called a co-worker, and the number looked like a normal US number... Nope, it was a Canadian number, and AT&amp;T charged me like $60 for a 30 minute call. Fuck that, it&#x27;s the same country code.<p>So I made the switch to Google Fi.<p>I called Google Fi in advance, and asked how it would work with my Google Voice number.<p>The support person said, &quot;Yeah, you can&#x27;t have the two kinds of Google numbers on the same email, but just make a new Google account and set you Google Fi number up under there, then forward your Google Voice number like you&#x27;ve been doing.&quot;<p>Cool, easy.<p>I do that.<p>Mind you my whole family is on the plan, Mom, Dad, sister... and it&#x27;s a big deal to switch.<p>After the SIM cards were sent, I go to set my Google Voice number to forward. And it doesn&#x27;t work. It tells me I can&#x27;t forward a Google Voice number to a Google Fi phone. WTF.<p>Then Covid hits.<p>All of my work and emergency contact numnbers are routed through my Google Voice number, which I can inexplicably no longer forward to my phone.<p>Google support lines are just playing recordings, &quot;Not available.&quot;<p>Live chat... oof, 40 minutes to have what should have been a 2 minute conversation. And it&#x27;s either a bot, or someone just copying a script. It was horrible. And I had to try like 4 times. Hours wasted.<p>Email support was worse. Nobody pays attention to context. Like they just go until they see a keyword they recognize and paste in a response template.<p>I&#x27;ve got Google Voice to forward to my emails... so all my calls and texts were still sort of coming in. But I wanted to get it sorted with Google.<p>I spell out a plan, email and ask them if it&#x27;ll work.<p>They say over email it will.<p>I&#x27;m going to just drop my cell phone number and just use my Google Voice number on my cell. Easier than trying to update every place that had the old number. Oof. Then I&#x27;ll switch the ownership from my Fake Google account to my Real Google account and turn off the Fake Google account line.<p>Plan was signed off on by Google staff. Cool, I feel like it&#x27;ll work.<p>I get the new sim card, and it sort of works... except the fake Google account I used to set up the plan in the first place has to stay the owner. I can&#x27;t change my real Google account to the owner on the family plan, I can&#x27;t change anyone to the owner on the family plan. So I&#x27;m stuck paying for an extra line.<p>Google&#x27;s solution... &quot;Just drop the family plan.&quot; No joke. Just kick everyone off onto their own plan, problem solved. I got 3 email templates telling me to do this -- that&#x27;s how they want me to change the owner of the family plan.<p>Oof. None of this will will kill me, and I&#x27;m glad they are keeping their employees safe... but none of this experience will ever put me in a spot to use Google again if I can avoid it. Their support is worse than any I&#x27;ve ever experienced.<p>Response times suck, lack of training for their staff, lack of intelligence around how to solve problems... it just feels like I&#x27;m talking to bots whose first language wasn&#x27;t English.<p>Anyway totally frustrating experience, and it makes no sense. Why can&#x27;t I forward a Google Voice number to a Google Fi phone? Shit like that is beyond me. And even with limiting product design, why wasn&#x27;t Google Staff trained on that so they could give me proper advice when I first called?<p>I was a huge Google Fiber fan, and I wanted to like Google Fi... but man... it&#x27;s been such a hassle. I&#x27;ve got a 100+ response email thread now and it&#x27;s all just missing the context copy &#x2F; paste talk, or them ignoring the question and answering something else, or contradicting advice one person to the next. Oof.
Semaphorabout 5 years ago
The title does not seem to fit what’s behind the link? I see people complaining about google canceling ongoing subscriptions after failing to collect the payments, presumably because of some fuckup on Google’s payment processing end.
modsWork4applabout 5 years ago
Are they going to carry over my playlists?<p>I don&#x27;t mind a price change, the government printed a lot of money. But I have hundreds of songs in a playlist.