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Architects and engineers are turning old shipping containers into mobiled ICUs

115 pointsby engineeringpabout 5 years ago

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nimbiusabout 5 years ago
speaking from experience as someone whos worked with shipping containers (tunnel, opentop and swap-body) repurposing these containers can be a bad idea unless you know exactly what was stored in them last.<p>Some containers come with their interior and moving parts slathered in Cosmoline and other toxic corrosion inhibitors. Others may have stored precursor chemicals to industrial adhesives or fertilizers. finally, theres no real regulation on what you can do with an over-iso (super heavy sticker) shipping container and many of them ship metals, or degraded plastics in various stages of recycling. Nuclear? sure. Walk through any port storage facility and theres sure to be a shipping container or two that will light up a geiger counter because the type-A containers inside have cracked from the heat and are leaking thorium tailings or other common low-level waste the USA ships out to third world countries and back.
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wigivabout 5 years ago
My company works with shipping containers daily - we modify them for industrial and manufacturing purposes. We reached out to the CURA team several weeks ago, offering our capacity if they scale&#x2F;deploy their concept. They are currently building their very first pilot unit(s), so we&#x27;ll see!<p>As a basic structural shell, shipping containers are great - plentiful, compatible with global logistics, cheap, dense&#x2F;stackable. But, to bring them up to habitable standards, let alone medical standards, takes A LOT of work. Hard manual labor and also precision assembly work. We have some custom equipment to help speed that retrofit process for our own purposes, but most container mod providers don&#x27;t - so while yes, you can deploy finished units anywhere, stack them densely and connect them quickly, there isn&#x27;t a reserve of these units standing by, and you have no scaling advantage up-front in manufacturing them right now.<p>I&#x27;ll add that by the time you retrofit insulation, ventilation, utilities and paneling inside (and you have to put this inside if you want to maintain side-by-side stackability and weather impermeability) what was a &quot;decent&quot; small room size becomes a bit claustrophobic.<p>For modular, dense, deployable, and durable emergency hospital facilities, it&#x27;s best to look at one of the many architectural prefab approaches - volumetric, panelized, or otherwise. See: BLOX, Blokable, FullStack Modular, Katerra, etc. This field is growing rapidly, and many of these companies are already tooled to produce room and structure modules very efficiently.<p>Some pose the question of re-tasking hotels as temporary alternative medical spaces. I could see it for housing medical staff in a more dedicated and perhaps centralized manner, if nearby a hospital. There are several military slide decks circulating around that describe exactly what&#x27;s necessary to create a field hospital out of a hotel&#x2F;office - including ripping up the carpet in the entire facility, heavily modifying HVAC (central or standalone units) etc - and that&#x27;s all doable, but I&#x27;ve wondered about the implications afterwards. You&#x27;d have to basically rebuild the interiors entirely, battle future customer perception (&quot;Oh, the hotel that 100 coronavirus patients died in?&quot;) and I&#x27;m certain the insurance situation will not be straightforward...
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floooabout 5 years ago
A friend of mine has been doing this for some time. It works well but you&#x27;re gonna need some iterations with stakeholders to make it work. This includes medical staff, transport experts etc. What&#x27;s quite cool about my friends engineering is that they manage to keep the containers sterile by pressure <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hospitainer.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hospitainer.com&#x2F;</a>
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redis_mlcabout 5 years ago
Sounds like another half-baked &quot;gotta do something&quot; project.<p>What&#x27;s needed is more quarantine areas the size of Javits Center or Moscone Center, not shipping containers, which are essential for ending the lockdown.<p>One of the problems with the shipping container method are you&#x27;re distributing the facilities maintenance tasks into a distributed system of multiple failure points.<p>Another is that if you do lose cooling, containers rapidly heat up in the daytime.
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layoutIfNeededabout 5 years ago
Why use shipping containers when portable shelters exist?<p>E.g. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fortsusa.com&#x2F;models&#x2F;military&#x2F;portable-military-shelter&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fortsusa.com&#x2F;models&#x2F;military&#x2F;portable-military-shelt...</a>
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blackrockabout 5 years ago
When China was building the special modular hospitals in 10 days, I thought why didn’t they just choose to convert old shipping containers instead?<p>Since it could be mass manufactured offsite, and trucked in. Then they’d just have to assemble it onsite.<p>Then, they could ship it all over the world, to hotspots that needs emergency field help.<p>But it turned out, ocean transport time is horrendous. It takes 21 days to transport from China to Los Angeles. Then, the time to load the ship, and unload the ship, and transport by land to the actual hotspot, would add another week. Then the time to actually assemble it onsite would add a few more days. So now, you’re looking at over 30 days to build that emergency hospital. By which time, you’d already have a bunch of dead people, just because it took you too long to transport it.<p>So in retrospect, it was probably better that they built it modularly onsite instead. At least this way, you can still fly the components to your hotspot.
raghavaabout 5 years ago
software engineers use &quot;containers&quot; to densify deployments. But in cases like this, real containers can&#x27;t densify or offer mobility. Indian Railways engineers have submitted a proposal to mobilize trains for quarantine and mobile hospitals. Retrofitting is not too difficult and a prototype with designs have been shared. (even to SAARC nations, I guess).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theprint.in&#x2F;india&#x2F;governance&#x2F;rail-coach-as-icu-how-modi-govt-plans-to-beat-healthcare-gaps-in-remote-areas&#x2F;388043&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theprint.in&#x2F;india&#x2F;governance&#x2F;rail-coach-as-icu-how-m...</a><p>Most related excerpts below:<p>‘A good idea’ According to media reports, a Kochi-based firm called Asset Homes had submitted a proposal to the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) where it offered to fashion hospitals out of trains.<p>“We have 12,617 trains with 23-30 coaches in our country. We can easily convert them into ‘mobile hospitals’ with facilities like consultation rooms, medical store, ICU and pantry,” the firm’s managing director reportedly wrote in the letter.<p>“Each train can accommodate at least 1,000 beds. Using the 7,500+ railway stations, the patients can be admitted to the trains.”<p>A senior railway official said it was good idea to convert coaches into mobile isolation wards, but added that it would be easier to first convert the railways’ Accident Relief Medical Equipment Vans (ARME) — or rail ambulances — into isolation wards.<p>“These are basically moving hospitals meant to provide medical treatment and assistance in case of rail accidents,” the official said. “It might be easier to convert them into isolation wards since they already have some medical facilities.”<p>Among other steps taken to check the pandemic, the railways have been instructed to introduce isolation wards at railway hospitals.
dangabout 5 years ago
We changed the URL from <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.engineeringpassion.com&#x2F;engineers-are-converting-old-shipping-containers-into-mobile-icus&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.engineeringpassion.com&#x2F;engineers-are-converting-...</a> to the article it copied from.
lnsruabout 5 years ago
As people already mentioned, containers are hot in summer. I spend couple weeks in a such temporary office. Daily 30 degrees, not enough windows, sweat and very bad smell around.<p>At the moment a school in neighborhood is being demolished and a temporary container building was assembled as replacement. It’s very comfortable and nice inside, though school has vacation in summertime and this application is ok. ICU in a container might be good for Scandinavia or Alaska...
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magwa101about 5 years ago
These things are flimsy AF. Better off with tents or temp wood structures.
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