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Ask HN: Cease & Desist on using the word egress. Sign it away for eternity?

17 pointsby new23dabout 5 years ago
I&#x27;m a small time founder of a TLS firewall. It is published on AWS and GCP marketplaces as &#x27;secure egress gateway&#x27; and allows outbound&#x2F;egress VPC traffic to be filtered by TLS versions and hostnames (which are set through the parameter store in AWS for example.) It&#x27;s DPI and not a proxy.<p>Last month, received a C&amp;D from lawyers of a co that holds trademark over the e word. So far, I have agreed to remove all use of the word except in a descriptive context and the time has come to sign an agreement with the other co.<p>The proposed agreement is perpetual. My lawyers strongly suspect the other co would refuse to agree to include a term that the agreement terminates after a set period of time, or if they were to lose all of their registered trademark rights in that word. Lawyers are funded by an insurance policy I had luckily taken out and bill every 6 minutes of their time.<p>Should I push back on the perpetuity of this agreement? Should I get a second opinion?

6 comments

thaumasiotesabout 5 years ago
What are you getting out of this agreement? They already can&#x27;t stop you from using a word descriptively. They can sue you and lose, but they can also do that after you sign the agreement, on exactly the same theory they&#x27;d use anyway (&quot;this use isn&#x27;t descriptive&quot;).<p>Also:<p>The product name &quot;secure egress gateway&quot; is obviously a descriptive use of the word (it&#x27;s a gateway for egress traffic), and therefore cannot violate a trademark. Are they asking you to avoid non-descriptive use of the word (&quot;for your email security needs, contact Egress Software Technologies!&quot;), or are they asking you to avoid using the word in product names regardless of whether the use is descriptive?
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tothrowawayabout 5 years ago
If you don&#x27;t mind sharing, what kind of insurance policy did you obtain? It&#x27;s surprising to hear an insurance product would cover your legal fees for something like this.
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EVurjaabout 5 years ago
Egress is such a generic word in technology. Wonder if anyone can even trademark a generic word.
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rckoepkeabout 5 years ago
I wonder, when www.egress.com picked the name Egress, did they have a discussion where they decided it would be a normal part of their business plan to sue unrelated companies ad infinitum, for the life of their business?
DrScumpabout 5 years ago
Is it too late to sue P.T. Barnum?<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ptbarnum.org&#x2F;egress.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ptbarnum.org&#x2F;egress.html</a>
stargrazerabout 5 years ago
Can you state who this company is?<p>Isn&#x27;t &quot;secure egress gateway&quot; descriptive as well?
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