The political discussion in this thread is fascinating. There are people advancing intelligent arguments about how the presidents podium remarks were flippant but basically on topic and that he wasn't telling people to actually drink bleach. While true, in my eyes it is obvious that he conflated sterilizing a surface with killing infection in a human and then started riffing on it.<p>It is incredibly strange and scary to me that not everyone is on the same page here. If you want to be generous you could say that the president was fatigued and had a 'brain fart' conflating the two. But this wasn't an issue with being articulate or not, or off the cuff or not, or how prescriptive he was. The man clearly thought that disinfecting surfaces relates to treating people. I find it terrifying that our leader could make such a mistake, especially at this stage of the pandemic.
"Firstly UBI is clearly an example of the well-known phenomenon called “hormesis” or “biphasic dose response’."<p>They're saying that the benefits are <i>not</i> due to any germicidal effects, but in response to the oxidative stress it imposes, which is generally considered to be detrimental at higher levels.<p>To put it perhaps over-simply, it exercises the blood.
IIRC, your eyes actually irradiate a significant chunk of your blood per minute. One of the trade-offs of wearing sunglasses is that you cut off this process.<p>Unclear how large of an effect is has, probably less than removing blood and irradiating it, since that process doesn’t have to balance against eye damage.
I've actually received a version of whole blood UV treatment about 10 years ago. For whatever reason I ended up feeling euphoric, memorably so, one of the best days of my life. It may have something to do with the fact that I was given oxygen after I started to faint after I saw the blood being withdrawn.<p>I collected a lot of papers about this modality and related ones. I can share them if anyone would like. I will not be able to comment on them and I am not a medical professional. Perhaps this was simply the placebo that appealed to me.<p>But the reason I sought out this treatment is that it is practiced by a doctor who was recommended to me by an MD PhD neurologist at Mayo Clinic. That doctor now does more with ozone gas than he does with ultraviolet blood irradiation. he considers it to be part of a class of "oxidative therapies" including very high doses of vitamin C.
Similar to this tech that uses the nasal cavity to irradiate blood at a beneficial wavelength.
"The nasal cavity is saturated with blood capillaries and five major arteries connect directly to the circulatory system – making it the perfect location for non-invasive systemic photobiomodulation.<p>Vielight systemic photobiomodulation technology is hypothesized to boost the immune system and increase blood oxygenation levels."<p><a href="https://vielight.com/systemic-photobiomodulation/" rel="nofollow">https://vielight.com/systemic-photobiomodulation/</a>
From the article, which I found relevant wrt. COVID:<p>> <i>These observations led to application of UBI in patients suffering from pneumonia. In a series of 75 cases in which the diagnoses of pneumonia were confirmed by X-rays, all patients responded well to UBI showing a rapid decrease in temperature, disappearance of cyanosis (often within 3–5 min), cessation of delirium if present, a marked reduction in pulse rate and a rapid resolution of pulmonary consolidation. A shortening of the time of hospitalizations and accelerated convalescence was regularly observed.</i><p>Of course I have no idea how this generalizes to the pneumonia you get from coronavirus...
How is it we're talking about this and not the concrete steps towards the millions of daily tests needed safely end social isolation?<p>I've received UVA and UVB phototherapies. To treat GVHD. Works great. Last I checked, no one really knows how or why.<p>UV is totally worth investigating.<p>It's totally inappropriate (dangerous) for the POTUS to speculate on TV during a pandemic. Especially while actively thwarting or malignecting actual proven useful treatments and mitigations.<p>Shame on media (and us) for the ongoing attempts to divine a coherent narrative from the blather of a madman.
There are also those proponents of nebulizing (dilute) peroxide. While I wouldn't try this myself, peroxide modulates lymphocytes and would surely result in a decrease in viral load. Peroxide is not unknown to the body, given the various endogenous peroxidases that catalyze it. Dilution would seem to be critical, though. I have wondered whether it wasn't worth some controlled studies, if they haven't happened already (<i>shrug</i>)
From Section 25 point 1, Historical Introduction<p>> In 1801 Johann Wilhelm Ritter, a Polish physicist working at the University of Jena in Germany discovered a form of light beyond the violet end of the spectrum that he called “Chemical Rays” and which later became “Ultraviolet” light<p><i>Chemical Rays</i>
‘However with the development of antibiotics, UBI use declined and it has now been called “the cure that time forgot”.‘<p>It says antibiotics. Is it me or UBI was used to treat bacterial infections or the OP is desperately correlating this study with the “effectiveness” of testing viruses with UBI? I feel like a lot of partisan users are getting the boot from Reddit and they are channeling out their frustrations here. Guys let’s keep HN pure with tech only posts.
It may be worth looking into further, but the section near the end of this very long article that recommends quack treatment websites really calls into question the quality of the rest of it and the motivations of the authors, if you ask me. E.g.:<p>"The web-site entitled 'Infections cured' (<a href="http://infectionscured.com" rel="nofollow">http://infectionscured.com</a>) is also worth checking out."
Assuming that this works (which I will do for the point of this conversation, not that I believe it):<p>1. You'd have to create a bunch of hemo-irradiators (which don't currently exist).<p>2. You'd have to train perfusionists or nurses to use them.<p>3. You'd have to place large-bore dialysis-style catheters into patients for the purpose of using these devices.<p>4. You'd have to have 1:1 RN staffing to use these machines (just like we do for continuous veno-venous hemofiltration devices for renal failure patients in the ICU).<p>Lots of downstream things to think about beyond just whether the concept is feasible.
I can't help thinking that this may have been the subject of the rambling, inarticulate speech recently given by POTUS? When I hear these crazy headlines, I think that he didn't come up with this stuff on his own, so did he hear this from a sane advisor or some kook on his staff? After he went to the mat for hydroxychloroquine, it's pretty natural for everyone to be skeptical, though.
It's pretty interesting that as soon as a certain famous snake oil peddler starts yammering about his n-th insane theory, HN immediately jumps on it and starts serious consideration and deliberation. It's very much the same way he ended up with billions worth of free coverage during the campaign because the media could not help themselves but constantly entertain and discuss his ramblings.<p>Occam's Razor: He's just a senile old coot full of quack theories about everything. There's tons of people like him, you don't have to waste your time on them.
Oh come on. Not this nonsense here too.<p>Science and researchers don't "forget" things.<p>Things that aren't effective or practical are retired.<p>This is just someone trying to make the president seem less stupid but of course there is no way he's ever read anything about blood radiation and all the failed experiments over the years.
Almost the entire briefing was about UV light killing viruses. Ultraviolet light is classified as a non-chemical disinfectant, and Trump was asking if we can bring it into the body. In his comment he said "The whole concept of the light that kills under one minute, thats pretty powerful". Nowhere anywhere did he suggest injecting chemicals. In fact, it was one of the dumb reporters that asked him a question about injecting bleach, not Trump. It's like people are not even watching the same press briefing. This media manipulation is getting blatant and outright mad, and I am watching people all around me hypnotized by it. What the heck is going on?
So now Trump is an idiot-savant? <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/sunlight-coronavirus-trump.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/sunlight-coronavir...</a>
So I woke up to some “news” about said ridiculous statements and said snake oil sales. So as I do now, I went and got the actual source and not the media interprition of it.<p>Can you find where in this clip he says to inject Lysol or sells snake oil? <a href="https://youtube.com/watch?v=zu60uj0_-Nw&feature=emb_title&time_continue=1538" rel="nofollow">https://youtube.com/watch?v=zu60uj0_-Nw&feature=emb_title&ti...</a><p>Because I saw him ask questions to his medical professional and make very general statements that are objectively true but at worst impractical or irrelevant.<p>Can anyone time stamp the snake oil for me?