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205 pointsby blackrobotabout 5 years ago

21 comments

sergioisidoroabout 5 years ago
What is going on here? A lot of the comments on this thread seem to be confusing bad management with metric visibility. And it seems they would prefer to bury the metrics so they are not used to &quot;snitch out&quot; on people. Looks like a mix of dishonesty and toxic culture at work.<p>We basically built these metrics with Prometheus and grafana because our review queue kept growing. Now we keep everyone accountable, and make these metrics part of our stand-up meetings.<p>Our PR queue is now smaller, and review time is shorter. We use these metrics not to point fingers, but to ensure people are not overcommitting, overworked, and that people know how many things they have on their table.<p>I&#x27;m quite glad something like this is now available off the shelf
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sytseabout 5 years ago
For people who want to compare GitHub Insights to GitLab please consider looking at GitLab Insights <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.gitlab.com&#x2F;ee&#x2F;user&#x2F;project&#x2F;insights&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.gitlab.com&#x2F;ee&#x2F;user&#x2F;project&#x2F;insights&#x2F;</a> Code Review Analytics <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.gitlab.com&#x2F;ee&#x2F;user&#x2F;analytics&#x2F;code_review_analytics.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.gitlab.com&#x2F;ee&#x2F;user&#x2F;analytics&#x2F;code_review_analyt...</a> DevOps Score <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.gitlab.com&#x2F;ee&#x2F;user&#x2F;instance_statistics&#x2F;dev_ops_score.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.gitlab.com&#x2F;ee&#x2F;user&#x2F;instance_statistics&#x2F;dev_ops_...</a> and Value Stream analytics <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.gitlab.com&#x2F;ee&#x2F;user&#x2F;analytics&#x2F;value_stream_analytics.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.gitlab.com&#x2F;ee&#x2F;user&#x2F;analytics&#x2F;value_stream_analy...</a> and a few others listed in <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.gitlab.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;05&#x2F;06&#x2F;git-challenge&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;about.gitlab.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2020&#x2F;05&#x2F;06&#x2F;git-challenge&#x2F;</a>
auprightabout 5 years ago
For those worried about the data being used maliciously, it looks like most of the metrics they&#x27;ll be introducing are focused around things that can actually help unblock teams and aren&#x27;t focused on individual contributors. Eg. distribution of code reviews across team members for better load balancing, average code review turnaround times across the team.<p>It also looks like you&#x27;ll be able to proactively set goals for some of these insights as well to improve over time. I can see where this can go awry, but optimistically this should help teams better measure and improve their process!
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brynaryabout 5 years ago
CEO of Code Climate here. We have a product Velocity (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;codeclimate.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;codeclimate.com&#x2F;</a>) which offers what we call Engineering Intelligence. There&#x27;s some great discussion about the value and appropriate use of data in software engineering, so I thought I&#x27;d chime in.<p>What we&#x27;ve seen is that engineers inherently want to be productive, and are happiest when they can work friction-free. Unfortunately, it can be quite difficult to get visibility into roadblocks that slow down developers (e.g. overly nitpicky code review, late changing product requirements, slow&#x2F;flaky CI), especially for managers who are one or two levels removed from programming. These are situations where data-backed insights can be helpful for diagnosis.<p>After diagnosing issues, with data or simply qualitative insights from a retrospective or 1:1, we also see teams sometimes struggle to set goals and achieve desired improvements. A common theme is the recurring retrospective item that people agree is important but doesn&#x27;t seem to be resolved. When it comes to implementing improvements, data can be useful to make objectives concrete and make progress visible to the entire team.<p>It’s important that metrics do not become the objectives themselves, but rather serve as a way to demonstrate the true outcome was achieved. Metrics also are not a strategy, and quantitative data cannot be used alone to understand performance of teams.<p>When quantitative data is used properly in combination with qualitative information, strong communication, and trust, we’ve found the results can go beyond what can be achieved without metrics.
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stephc_int13about 5 years ago
Wow, things are getting a bit clearer now.<p>Am I paranoid?<p>For me this the signal that it&#x27;s time to opt-out from vscode and github.<p>I was really impressed with the work done on vscode, the performance was really good for a hosted web-app.<p>Also: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Goodhart%27s_law" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Goodhart%27s_law</a>
minimaxirabout 5 years ago
This might be used more for narc&#x27;ing on unproductive coders than for productivity. :P
nimishabout 5 years ago
Yuck, when metrics become a target they cease to be useful.
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mgoblu3about 5 years ago
Is this what they did with the PullPanda acquisition? We had started using that a bit, but not being able to add new users as of late and the general pause in feature development seemed like something else was up.
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nitskyabout 5 years ago
“Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight.”<p>- Bill Gates
abtinfabout 5 years ago
Let the metrics gaming begin.
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gumbyabout 5 years ago
Data yes, &quot;insight&quot;...not so much.
prependabout 5 years ago
I wish it would give web traffic for public repos going back more than two weeks.
glramabout 5 years ago
Ah I was hoping based on the headline that this would be some sort of analysis of the actual code -- aka a pie graph of the different language features each team member uses. Kinda like an aggregated `blame` :D
SimonLHabout 5 years ago
Well, there&#x27;s a new alternative on the market: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sigmetic.io" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sigmetic.io</a><p>It&#x27;s currently in beta, but it looks really cool!!<p>Kindest regard Founder of Sigmetic ;p
kfkabout 5 years ago
In app insights are always tricky. The moment you need to compare this data with non GitHub data you need to move to an external database anyway.
dom96about 5 years ago
Is this why my private repos have disabled all insights? I can&#x27;t even look at pretty charts of commits I&#x27;ve been making anymore :(
novarroabout 5 years ago
Sigh, there goes the product i was working on since last three months. This has most of the features i was planning to implement.
oefrhaabout 5 years ago
Looks like the expansion of an old feature that’s been tucked away in the corner for years? Insights -&gt; Pulse.
kenabout 5 years ago
If they really had guts, they&#x27;d ask programmers to declare their background (years of experience, with that language, with static&#x2F;dynamic typed languages, ...) and environment (private office &#x2F; open floorplan &#x2F; remote, music &#x2F; silence &#x2F; white noise, ...), and use this to settle once-and-for-all some basic questions the industry has had.
mythshakerabout 5 years ago
they debuted this as part of the enterprise offerings but it doesn&#x27;t seem nearly as robust as gitprime (RIP) or code climate velocity
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jrochkind1about 5 years ago
Oh no.