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How can you inspire programmers to work longer work weeks voluntarily?

38 pointsby aniobiabout 14 years ago

22 comments

edw519about 14 years ago
Take away access to quora.<p>Then they'll get so much more done during regular hours, your problem will just go away.<p>&#60;/sarcasm&#62;<p>Actually this is a fair question that deserves and honest answer. My experience...<p>1. Don't do it regularly. It gets tired real quickly.<p>2. Have everyone understand why overtime/deadlines are important. Be open and honest. People genuinely want to help and will shovel shit under the right circumstances.<p>3. Hit your deadlines. Crying wolf only works so many times.<p>4. Make it tactically easy with simple things like: bring in dinner/drinks, carpool, motel room, day care, casual dress.<p>5. Pay them with overtime or comp time. (Amazing how well this works.)
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cletusabout 14 years ago
Speaking from experience (working at Google), the answer is simple: you feed them.<p>I have breakfast, lunch and dinner here. Frankly, cooking annoys me and going out and buying food involves making decisions more often than not I just don't care about.<p>My fridge at home only has Coke Zero in it and I think I've forgotten how to buy groceries.
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modocabout 14 years ago
IMHO a much better question is: "how can we help our programmers be more productive?"<p>Long hours only "help" for a pretty short time period, so making the core 8 hours/day more productive is a much more sustainable approach. In my experience people LIKE being productive and don't like working crazy hours, so it's also much easier.<p>Top hits in my experience:<p>Is the physical environment conducive to productivity? Comfortable/ergonomic setting, fast powerful hardware with lots of screen real estate, does the office allow for uninterrupted focused work and good communication.<p>Is the work environment conducive to productivity? Are the software tools low drag? Is the process setup to allow developers to focus on 1-24 hour sized tasks (optimal size may vary) without interruption and having to multi-task on 12 things at once? Are your programmers protected from random management interference?<p>There are tons of factors that go into this as well, having your manager or team lead protecting and empowering you versus cracking the whip, making it easy to keep blood sugar at happy levels, having the programmers be interested in the work, have the programmers understand the value of the work and be invested in the success of the project.<p>I would much rather have programmers working 6 hours a day, focused, motivated, and productive, than 12 hours a day, checking facebooks, switching between 12 different "SUPER URGENT" tasks all day, etc....
danilocamposabout 14 years ago
The simple answer: work on a problem/product whose solution is both fun and challenging, then recruit developers who respond to fun challenges. Don't do mediocre shit, or if you must, don't expect it to be easy to get other people excited to give above-standard effort to it over an extended period.<p>I worked some nights and some weekends from November through January because I was doing something that I truly enjoyed. No one had to ask me – I did it on my own initiative because that's where my mind went each time it was allowed to wander. It was awesome. edit: Oh, and get out the ass-in-seat model of productivity. All this bonus time happened at home, in my comfy apartment.<p>At the same time, it wasn't a death march. If I needed a break, I took it. I spent plenty of nights/weekends relaxing, having fun with my girlfriend, and otherwise doing my own thing. I felt no pressure to put in the extra time and no guilt when I didn't.<p>In the end, everyone got a great deal. I work on stuff I truly enjoy, my employer gets substantially more productive juice than is standard, and everything is flexible.<p>Of course, even on your own initiative, it's possible to burn out. I'm a little frayed after all that effort, fun though it definitely was. Still figuring out how to regroup and recharge, and I'm a bit slower now as a result.
jasonkesterabout 14 years ago
Amazing that nowhere in all those responses is the simple answer:<p>Pay them for their time.<p>Want me to sit in your cube for 12 hours on a Saturday? No problem. That'll be $(hourly_rate * 12). Need 70 hours of my time this week because we've all got to dig in for this one last big push? I'm there, so long as you're prepared to pay me $(hourly_rate * 70).<p>Granted, if you want my best productivity, you'll purchase 30 hours of my time over the course of 4 days each week. But hey, it's your choice.
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gte910habout 14 years ago
Pay overtime. Not being glib. It works like a charm. Then again, "works longer" likely isn't your real goal, and more hours may not serve that real goal.
wpietriabout 14 years ago
Whoa! This is where all the upvotes are coming from. I'm the Quora user with the answer that leads with "Wanting programmers to work longer weeks is foolish." Thanks for the votes of confidence.<p>I will shamelessly self-promote by mentioning that I'm just about to start hiring for our San Francisco web startup, so if you have strong front- or back-end chops, want to be among the first 5 people at a startup, and want to work for somebody who gets that overtime doesn't mean better products, contact me at william at scissor.com or @williampietri on Twitter.
angdisabout 14 years ago
The short answer is "If you have to ask that question, you can't do it."
blockeabout 14 years ago
I believe Fortune 500 companies call this "maintaining a startup environment".<p>&#60;/snark&#62;
timwisemanabout 14 years ago
Here is what I found worked to get me to be willing to work extra, and it has worked for many of the my employees when I went to management, though of course people vary:<p>1. An interesting project so the work wasn't drudgery (knowing why it mattered to the company also helped a lot).<p>2. Incentives. This could be as general as stock options/employee stock purchase so that at least key employees (people able to indvidually affect the overall welfare of the company) are strongly motivated to see it succeed. Promises of bonuses tied to performance, or promotions down the line help, or comp time all help.<p>3. Food.<p>4. The boss should be there. At my last company, my boss was there <i>most</i> of the time if he asked us to work late. When I became a manager, I was almost always there if I asked my people to work late. It was a small company, the CEO was occassionally the one bringing in the take-out if several of us were asked to work long hours.
th0ma5about 14 years ago
Interesting, however, I would question the quality that comes out of longer work weeks, see many previous discussions on HN.
raganwaldabout 14 years ago
Hire me! I can accomplish almost as much in seventy hours a week as I can in fifty.
dominostarsabout 14 years ago
I often work longer hours at my current company, for these reasons:<p>1. I work on projects I like and care about.<p>2. We set aggressive deadlines.<p>3. I'm never explicitly asked to work longer hours.<p>4. If I do work longer hours, it's recognized and appreciated.
fleitzabout 14 years ago
Use an 8 day week now your programmers can work 48 hours per week.
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martharotterabout 14 years ago
The best manager I ever had was amazing at this and the reason was simple: he understood downtime and he negotiated.<p>So when we were trying to ship something and everyone was working late nights and weekends, he'd give us several days off afterwards. Additionally we had flexibility such that I could offer to work a few weekends in a row in exchange for a long weekend a few weeks later.<p>It was a great system and his employees always respected him for it.
bartonfinkabout 14 years ago
Voluntarily? There's a lot of wiggle room in that term, and probably some assumptions that need to be challenged.<p>If we assume that "voluntarily" means that you expect your developers to simply stay late without any investment of effort on your part, then good luck to you - I hope your developers REALLY believe in your company. You want something for nothing, and personally, I'd comply long enough to get another job. My life is too short to spend it "killing time" on your project.<p>If we assume that you are willing to invest in the environment or other workplace changes, but not willing to compensate your developers financially for extra time, then I think that you're going to want to be careful what message you're sending so you get the most bang for your buck, so to speak. Ordering dinner (and not just pizza by default), for example, would be a good start. Most of the time, I'm hungry in the evening, but if I'm staying late I'm not going to be thrilled about spending 30+ minutes to go get my own food. I'm going to be thinking "great, this is 30+ minutes later I need to spend when I get back." Giving me clear direction for what you need and why you need it now is another biggie. If you're asking me to stay late, clearly you have some task in mind so make sure I understand exactly what you want to see so I don't waste my time. Making it clear that you are doing whatever you can to remove the reason I'm here late is another biggie. To paraphrase, lack of planning on your part does not constitute a good reason to give up my evenings on my part. If you're asking me to put in 12 hour days, I'm not going to be amused by the addition of a pinball machine or other games (I have worked at a startup where the other developers managed to squeeze in 8 hours of work and 4 hours of ping-pong in every day and bragged about "working" late). I'm at the office late because you need something done, and anything that doesn't make that goal easier so I can hurry up and get home just reeks of management missing the point.<p>If we assume that you are willing to compensate your developers financially for their time, then make sure that this is a win for both parties. Time after hours is time that your developers can't spend doing other things. Evenings are time with families, for example. Evenings are a chance to spend time with friends away from the office. Evenings are a chance to unwind with hobbies. I value my evening hours more highly than my midday hours because I have a family and that's when it's easiest for me to spend time with them. If I'm not going to make it home for dinner, I don't want to tell my wife "honey, I need to work late but it's okay - I'm getting an extra $50 out of the deal." That figure needs to be high enough that the decision is easy. I also do contract work after hours, so if my day job wants me to stay late, I'm forced to either give up sleep to meet those obligations or I'm giving up weekend time. You're shifting the array of my life around, and that's an inconvenience I would like to be compensated for. I'm not asking for something ridiculous, but I think a premium atop my regular rate is in order.
chrisbennetabout 14 years ago
Alternate title: "How can I get my programmers to work more hours - for free?"<p>I worked for a (great) startup 10 years ago that almost never had us work any overtime (a few days a year max). We had a fixed 50hr work week - but they also paid 25% more.<p>How would you (as an employer) answer if the question posed by your programmers was "How can I inspire my company to work us less hours for the same pay?"<p>But seriously, the sooner you can pose your original question to your employees the sooner your smart employees can find another place to work leaving you with the programmers/serfs that might better fit your management style.
run4yourlivesabout 14 years ago
You don't want a professional, you want a slave, in the strictest sense of both words.<p>You want a person to work more than you are willing to pay them. Recognize this fact and I think you'll find the answer to your question.
dedwardabout 14 years ago
How about: how can you manage your business so you don't have to overwork your programmers as a core business strategy?
jimflabout 14 years ago
Be sure it is worth it.<p>Smart developers can smell an arbitrary deadline a mile away. The need for extra effort need to be tied to something more tangible than the Gregorian calendar and/or an executive's bonus.<p>Stimulate a culture of ownership.<p>Interest your developers in the competition. Your competition are fools and trolls. Certainly we can do better. Regularly checkpoint against the competition.<p>Consider developer-suggested features. Developers will put in the extra effort if they are playing out their own ideas, and are motivating each other.<p>Consider the following scenarios: Manager: "I need you to work this weekend to get xyz done by mmddyy."<p>Or, Developer: "Dude, I am going to hackathon on xyz at the coffeehouse on Saturday. Caffeinated mints are on me."
gaoshanabout 14 years ago
Tell them they should be grateful to even have a job. That they should put their noses to the grindstone and be happy they can put food on the table and aren't in the unemployment line... oh wait, sorry... that's what the publisher at the newspaper where I used to work always said and it was rather less than inspiring to me. Never mind.
goombasticabout 14 years ago
This is not ok. Even if you use words like "inspire." No one should be forced to work long hours. If you are considering it, make it optional and don't use peer pressure. ALSO, PAY OVERTIME.