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Ask HN: Do people need websites without JavaScript or it just niche?

9 pointsby kuesjialmost 5 years ago
as owner of withoutjs.org domain i curious about your thoughts.<p><i>i haven&#x27;t created a site for the domain yet</i>

7 comments

diablo1almost 5 years ago
I treat Javascript as an embellishment. I try to think of sites as electric stairs that still work even when they are turned off. A site should be as accessible as possible.
osdiabalmost 5 years ago
The impact of having a site work without JS depends on who your site targets - if your site is mostly focused on young US professionals in cities using Macbooks and iPhones, bandwidth and browser support is going to be good enough with or without JS; you might lose out on some market share from accessibility if your site is poorly accessible, but it’s unlikely to be make or break for your site.<p>If your site is supporting elderly people in developing nations on low-specced computers&#x2F;phones, probably a website isn’t even the best vehicle for your product, but supporting no-JS might be more significant for accessibility and bandwidth reasons.<p>I suspect the vast majority of products people work on here would not gain much by working without JS, although some passionate and outspoken people make it seem otherwise.
duxupalmost 5 years ago
Depends on what people mean by &#x27;websites&#x27;.<p>There&#x27;s a lot of pie in the sky JavaScript discussion where folks talk about going without &#x2F; this site doesn&#x27;t need JS and so forth and I imagine they&#x27;re talking about sites largely with static content and text where the user just consumes that and doesn&#x27;t interact much beyond navigation.<p>I think those are valid points to some extent... and I&#x27;m not sure how many sites really are purely static no matter how much we might wish they were. I admit I miss that internet too but ...<p>On the other hand I work on a lot of &#x27;web applications&#x27; for businesses... zero JS is not really an option.<p>As for how many people care overall about a lack of JS on a page, I&#x27;m pretty sure it is very small.
codegeekalmost 5 years ago
If it is a static&#x2F;general website with information and not much user interaction, I would say it should ideally work without JS.<p>If it is a web application that has tons of interactivity with a user, it would be of not much use without JS.
perilunaralmost 5 years ago
Only so far as developers abuse their audience with massive tracking and advertising code.<p>withoutjs.org could be a really useful directory of:<p>- sites that work without JS<p>- sites that work partially without JS (and what features are broken&#x2F;missing)<p>- sites that use JS to abuse their audience, and that should only be viewed with JS disabled<p>- advocacy and resources to make sites work better without JS<p>- advocacy and resources for developers to reduce their page weight
gitgudalmost 5 years ago
It&#x27;s just another tool to create better interactivity in a page.<p>Just like CSS is a tool to create prettier pages. And HTML is an tool to create layouts and links.<p>I do think JS should be treated like a permission though. Just like asking for camera access... but apparently the JS sandbox is completely isolated so that&#x27;s not at all necessary...
austincheneyalmost 5 years ago
I would look at offering creative things developers can do without need for JavaScript.<p>* interactions using CSS<p>* accessibility<p>* improved content<p>* improved html<p>* seo