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Remove some offensive/archaic terminology from OpenSSL

26 pointsby noble_plebalmost 5 years ago

14 comments

kepler1almost 5 years ago
You know, the problem with letting people&#x27;s sudden emotions swing you back and forth without possibility of reasonable discussion is that some day it will come to bite you in the ass. That is, in terms of what kind of behavior you&#x27;re incentivizing.<p>In this kind of environment, people who raise even reasonable objections to questionable changes will be labeled as the enemy by fanatics. Like this guy. I don&#x27;t know where he gets such a motivation to destroy or rewrite this corner of the world because he thinks it&#x27;s his responsibility to stamp out oppression in C code. Which is about as far from the social problem as you can get.<p>The list of words being considered as prejudiced include:<p>-- parent&#x2F;child -- whitelist&#x2F;blacklist<p>Some of this is really ridiculous.<p>How are we to decide what terms are offensive enough? Vote? There are going to be objections at some level about any term, by someone out there. Someone needs to be an authority and say how much self-censoring is reasonable, and what terms are reasonable to keep.<p>I object to the term SSL. It is a deep insult to my culture. We should rename it because of that. Who are you to question my being offended?<p>Please let this issue not be determined by this guy or this ilk. Or at least, let this argument settle for a few months and see whether it still makes sense before getting caught up in the heat of the moment. Sometimes, time tells whether you were reasonable or not.
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adrianNalmost 5 years ago
I really don&#x27;t understand how it helps against racism to purge language from certain words in contexts where they&#x27;re not even applied to humans.
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rssmllralmost 5 years ago
Some other problematic words in this repo:<p>Parent: to orphans and those who have been in the foster care system<p>Child: to those who cannot have offspring<p>Sibling: to only children<p>Dead: to those who’ve known someone who passed<p>Disabled: to anyone with a handicap<p>Fire: to burn victims<p>Smart: to those with low IQ<p>Small: to the vertically challenged<p>I’m very glad to not see the word Zombie because that is very triggering to French Haitians.<p>I’d also like to remind people that we need new words for male&#x2F;female plugs because those terms are transphobic.
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Trumpialmost 5 years ago
Here is one of my favorite sections from 1984. Maybe there is some relevance to draw from it; maybe not.<p><pre><code> &#x27;You haven&#x27;t a real appreciation of Newspeak, Winston,&#x27; he said almost sadly. &#x27;Even when you write it you&#x27;re still thinking in Oldspeak. I&#x27;ve read some of those pieces that you write in &quot;The Times&quot; occasionally. They&#x27;re good enough, but they&#x27;re translations. In your heart you&#x27;d prefer to stick to Oldspeak, with all its vagueness and its useless shades of meaning. You don&#x27;t grasp the beauty of the destruction of words. Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year?&#x27; Winston did know that, of course. He smiled, sympathetically he hoped, not trusting himself to speak. Syme bit off another fragment of the dark-coloured bread, chewed it briefly, and went on: &#x27;Don&#x27;t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed, will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten. Already, in the Eleventh Edition, we&#x27;re not far from that point. But the process will still be continuing long after you and I are dead. Every year fewer and fewer words, and the range of consciousness always a little smaller. Even now, of course, there&#x27;s no reason or excuse for committing thoughtcrime. It&#x27;s merely a question of self-discipline, reality-control. But in the end there won&#x27;t be any need even for that. The Revolution will be complete when the language is perfect. Newspeak is Ingsoc and Ingsoc is Newspeak,&#x27; he added with a sort of mystical satisfaction. &#x27;Has it ever occurred to you, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?&#x27;</code></pre>
userbinatoralmost 5 years ago
People will always find something to be offended about, and it&#x27;s sad that we as a society have let this &quot;weaponisation of offence&quot; grow unhindered and some people have even encouraged it.<p>I feel sorry for people who do things like this, only because if <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21833377" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21833377</a> is any indication, 4chan is about to make his life very <i>very</i> miserable.<p>&quot;Inclusiveness includes stupidity too.&quot;
drewcooalmost 5 years ago
Note it contains this commit with the message &quot;Fix whitespace.&quot; That is hilarious.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;openssl&#x2F;openssl&#x2F;pull&#x2F;12089&#x2F;commits&#x2F;b7d2ec51cf2abf6f827c580a5ebea07acc23ee52" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;openssl&#x2F;openssl&#x2F;pull&#x2F;12089&#x2F;commits&#x2F;b7d2ec...</a>
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Josh5almost 5 years ago
The problem isn&#x27;t the words that seem to offend some people, it&#x27;s that people associate themselves with words that they should not. I would love to live in a world where people stop saying &quot;I&#x27;m black&quot; or &quot;I&#x27;m white&quot;. Your skin has a colour, but I bet it&#x27;s not one of those. Perhaps a light brown? The point is, no one alive can say they don&#x27;t share some heratage with one side or another. If you are so offended by some historical act of slavery in your ancestry, then perhaps you should also carry out some due diligence and check if there is any enslavement by the part of your ancestors also? If things like this is a big deal, why are we ok with dressing up as pirates or murderers? I personally feel like the problem lies in our inability to accept some historical events as unchangeable as crap as they are, and focus instead at how wonderful our differences as a species is in the 21st century. We should be accepting humanity as the collidescope that it is rather than just &quot;black&quot; and &quot;white&quot;. FFS!
wiltalmost 5 years ago
The problem with saying change something if it offends someone is that is open to abuse. Are you going to remove something that speaks out about a government killing its own citizens because that government finds it offensive? That would be stupid.<p>In the case of master and slave i don&#x27;t mind the defaults for new projects being changed but this new trend of going around and demanding everyone update their projects right now is just silly. You are asking people to put in a huge ammount of effort and possibly break lots of external things for the sake of making a few white guys feel like they did something.
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raindropmalmost 5 years ago
I remember my time studying Freud&#x27;s sex theory in literature class and how there are symbols that signified the sexual desire scatter around the story we&#x27;ve read, say, the male character took his pen(phallic symbol) and pierce some hole in the pink clothes(symbolizing female), and you can see this everywhere in the text if you look for it (though Freud humorously said that sometimes cigar is just a cigar, not everything has to be about sex)<p>At the end of the day, I cannot help but think that half of the interpretation is just what my professor just made up because she really engrossed in Freud&#x27;s theory.<p>That being said, you will see anything you really <i>want to</i> see, if you look for it hard enough. If you think it&#x27;s there, it will be there...
Mindless2112almost 5 years ago
Taken to its ultimate end, we will have to have<p><pre><code> Colors.Black == Colors.White </code></pre> And, courtesy of Douglas Adams:<p>&gt; <i>&quot;Oh, that was easy,&quot; says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.”</i>
KayLalmost 5 years ago
Everywhere is search black &amp; white now. But no one cares about yellow or other.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;openssl&#x2F;openssl&#x2F;blob&#x2F;454afd9866300b984306c5b565a9d55568a5bc50&#x2F;test&#x2F;property_test.c#L90" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;openssl&#x2F;openssl&#x2F;blob&#x2F;454afd9866300b984306...</a><p>Why Yellow is Groan?<p>As someone living near to or will become a sensor place soon, I&#x27;m worried one day that&#x27;s a list to remove&#x2F;replace these words automatically. (or suggested not to say that)<p>There&#x27;s a country you&#x27;ll get in trouble if you say that 2-digits out of 0-9
GuiAalmost 5 years ago
From the diffs:<p>master -&gt; changed to main&#x2F;parent (depending on context)<p>slave -&gt; changed to child<p>blacklist -&gt; changed to blocklist<p>black magic -&gt; changed to magic<p>white space -&gt; changed to whitespace&#x2F;empty space (depending on context)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;openssl&#x2F;openssl&#x2F;pull&#x2F;12089&#x2F;files" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;openssl&#x2F;openssl&#x2F;pull&#x2F;12089&#x2F;files</a>
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sys_64738almost 5 years ago
What should tomorrow&#x27;s Scrum Master be called?
juskreyalmost 5 years ago
Social progress leaves the trace by giving old words new meanings, regress - by hiding old meanings behind new words.
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