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Guy Steele: Growing a Language (video 53:30)

103 pointsby ashutoshmabout 14 years ago
Guy Steele's keynote at the 1998 ACM OOPSLA conference on "Growing a Language" discusses the importance of and issues associated with designing a programming language that can be grown by its users.<p>Link to PDF http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/steele.pdf

11 comments

jfm3about 14 years ago
"This is the nub of what I want to say. A language design can no longer be a thing. It must be a pattern -- a pattern for growth -- a pattern for growing the pattern for defining the patterns that programmers can use for their real work and their main goal."<p>One of the most incredible CS things I've ever taken in.
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ashutoshmabout 14 years ago
Link to PDF <a href="http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/steele.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/steele.pdf</a>
CurrentBabout 14 years ago
Classic. If you care even the slightest bit about programming languages you need to watch this.
kenjacksonabout 14 years ago
Guy Steele and Dick Gabriel gave a talk at HOPL a few years back. Another great talk. It lacked the insight of this one, but purely a joy... CS poetry. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find the talk online anywhere.
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pepijndevosabout 14 years ago
reaction; the action caused by an action<p>While I was writing a reaction, I thought I should use only words with one syllable, and words defined in his talk.<p>information; facts learned. realize; be aware of<p>Other than the great information he gave, writing this reaction taught me how hard it is to write in this style, let alone talk for a hour. I also realized how much long words I use.
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shadowsun7about 14 years ago
If you don't understand: wait till the 10 minute mark to get what he's trying to do with you.<p>Truly, truly amazing.
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sblomabout 14 years ago
Is anybody else seeing strange, deterministic glitches where some of the video seems to have been snipped out?
ygooshedabout 14 years ago
"If you give a person a fish, he can eat for a day. If you teach a person to fish, he can eat his whole life long. If you give a person tools, he can make a fishing pole—and lots of other tools! He can build a machine to crank out fishing poles." That's the essence of programming.
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nickikabout 14 years ago
The famouse Statemant: "A Language needs to be designed to grow" is great. Gilad Braha (maker of the Newspeak) top this statmend by saying: "Languages need to be designed to take stuff away". Witch is pretty cool but much, much harder to do.
rchabout 14 years ago
It would be fun use hebrew this way, in a talk about dynamic languages including tuples.<p>I don't know enough to take it on though, just thinking of that numerology scene from Pi.
dazzawazzaabout 14 years ago
Well worth the effort to watch. It really does make you step back and think about how we define the landscape we work in.