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Android Honeycomb not immediately open sourced

90 pointsby rpledgeabout 14 years ago

17 comments

Kylekramerabout 14 years ago
Google is between a rock and a hard place. They release Honeycomb source, then a bunch of makers will rush out with phones (this move is clearly about phones and not tablets) running an OS they don't want on phones yet. And if they do, the headline would be "Steve Jobs vindicated: Google Android is fragmented as hell". Of course, ignoring that Apple did the same exact forking and then merging move with iOS.<p>Personally I would err on the side of openness and let the shitty manufacturers run wild, but at least this way the blowback is just a bunch of philosophical arguments on nerd sites and not actual customers buying bad Android products.
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jrwoodruffabout 14 years ago
Bit of an inaccurate title there - honeycomb will not be open sourced until they decide it's ready. Android is still open.<p>Oh, and Steve Jobs has already been vindicated by selling billions of dollars of tech.
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NickPollardabout 14 years ago
To me, 'Open' is not the same as just 'Open Source'. I'm not really that interested in whether Android is open source or not.<p>What I am interested in is whether the device lets me do what <i>I</i> want - that is, it allows me to download and install whatever software I choose to, in what manner I want. Android lets me do this. That is why Android is 'Open'.<p>Whilst I understand for most consumers this is not an issue, and I have no qualms with people who go along with that, for me personally as a programmer, I will not buy any other smartphone platform if it does not afford me that same liberty.
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yellowbkpkabout 14 years ago
I don't understand these "Google Android is not open" arguments. Can you go to <a href="http://source.apple.com/" rel="nofollow">http://source.apple.com/</a> and download iOS 1.0? No. Can you go to <a href="http://source.blackberry.com/" rel="nofollow">http://source.blackberry.com/</a> and download their OS? No. Sure, Honeycomb isn't coming out right this very moment, but at least there's <i>something</i> there.<p>By any definition Google is at least several orders of magnitude more "open" than Apple. Apple releases <i>no</i> source (other than what is required of them, and only after a few weeks or months). Google releases <i>all</i> source (sure, after a few weeks or months).
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baneabout 14 years ago
There's a big difference between<p>"On Thursday, the company said that as its select partners release the first tablets based on Android "Honeycomb" – the latest version of its mobile operating system – <i>it will not open source the Honeycomb code.</i>"<p>And "But there was no indication that the code wouldn't be promptly open sourced as the first devices were released. What's more, Google did not make a public announcement that it will keep the source closed. "<p>I'd be surprised if Google has manged to rid every last piece of GPL'd software from the OS. Otherwise, they're going to have to release the source.<p>Check here for updates <a href="http://source.android.com/" rel="nofollow">http://source.android.com/</a>
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trotskyabout 14 years ago
<i>But the reality is surely that Google and its partners don't want smaller name manufacturers eating into their tablet sales. Or perhaps they don't want larger names nabbing pieces of code for their own tablet OSes.</i><p>Why would they be worried about this? Isn't the purpose of Android* to increase global pageviews and sell more (local) ads? Don't 2nd tier OEMs and competing platforms further these goals?<p>While I am not sure if you can take google at face value in terms of their reasons, the author's conclusions seem wildly unsourced. Unless someone would like to expand on his reasoning?
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grammatonabout 14 years ago
"While we’re excited to offer these new features to Android tablets, we have more work to do before we can deliver them to other device types including phones. Until then, we’ve decided not to release Honeycomb to open source."<p>The <i>until then</i> part strikes me as pretty important. It sounds like Google is just delaying the release of the source until they reach a certain milestone. This is a very reasonable position to take. I think the author of the piece is jumping to conclusions.
sapper2about 14 years ago
For Google, open-source is a marketing strategy. Not more and not less.
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antiheroabout 14 years ago
At least they intend to eventually. Still a long shot from iOS.
mycroftivabout 14 years ago
I was planning on purchasing an Android tablet, but no sale until the source code is out there. I own an Android phone and have been happy with it, but I'm not interested in giving up my freedom just to have my hands on the latest toy. I am extremely disappointed in this decision. I wasn't under any particular illusions about Google, but I actually believed they were comitted to Android as an open source project. If they get their act together and get their source code out the door soon and don't repeat this nonsense for subsequent Android releases, they will keep me as a customer of devices based on their operating system. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
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brudgersabout 14 years ago
It's a bit premature to say that Steve Jobs is vindicated in so far as Android is concerned from a journalistic standpoint and claims of "vindication" seem to be a bit more editorial than factual. However, timing is everything when it comes to linkbait.
emehrkayabout 14 years ago
Does this have anything to do with Rim's tab not being able to support Honeycomb-based apps, but previous Android version apps?<p>I would guess that if rim had the source, they would support Honeycomb apps on the playbook and it would be a selling point for them.
gte910habout 14 years ago
Open sourced means "source released with binaries".<p>It does not mean "All code available with all checkins at all times"<p>Because community projects pretty much have to function that way does not mean that's the only way to do open source.<p><pre><code> --An iOS developer and ex-embedded Linux/Linux kernel driver developer who's a little POed that everyone thinks only their way of doing open source is "True to Freedom" or whatever</code></pre>
gambleabout 14 years ago
Once again, Google's 'principles' become a way for apologists to excuse bad behavior, rather than something that actually informs their actions.
colindoc84about 14 years ago
so stupid. so when they release honeycomb, will there be an article saying how google have suddenly decided to make android open source?
miseabout 14 years ago
If Honeycomb is Android 3.0 "for larger screens", what happens in the future for 4 or 5 inch screens?
seanxabout 14 years ago
Open is not a bool, it's a float. Android may not be "open" but it is still far more open than IOS.