<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz</a> ... the china expert<p>> Zenz co-authored the book Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation which links modern trends, including gender equality, homosexuality and bans on corporal punishment, to the power of the Antichrist.<p>The more I look at it, history is one ethnic group against the other. The winners do what they want, the weak suffer as prisoners of war.
I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century.<p>Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?
For UK citizens, there is an open petition to Parliament asking the UK Government to impose sanctions on China as a response: <a href="https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300146" rel="nofollow">https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300146</a>
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China’s Vanishing Muslims: Undercover In The Most Dystopian Place In The World<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ</a>
> SIMON: People need to be careful using the word genocide. Why do you think it's justified and important to use it now?<p>> ZENZ: I have long argued that the atrocity in the region is a cultural genocide, not a literal genocide. I do continue to believe that, generally speaking, the Chinese government does not intend to physically eradicate the Uighurs and Kazakhs, just to integrate, subjugate, dominate and assimilate them. However, this is coupled with a policy of ethnoracial domination, as the government has brought millions of Han Chinese settler in the regions with promises of high salaries, jobs and free housing.<p>> The reason why now this has changed - we do need to probably call it a genocide - is quite simply because the evidence now, for the first time, very specifically meets one of the five criteria set forth by the United Nations Convention for the Punishment and Prevention of the Crime of Genocide from 1948, which specifically says the suppression of birth.
As of right now, the post is 3-hour old, has 391 votes, second only to another post in the top 60 posts, and yet is is ranked... #59.<p>HN mods have likely flagged it as flamewar, or non relevant, or both, effectively contributing to the soft censorship on the topic.<p>Content platforms have many challenges ahead of them.
A lot of international politics/treaties enforcement boils down to - are you willing to bleed and die for that cause.<p>Unless we are willing to go to war - there are no viable ways to prevent China from doing whatever they feel like in the territory they control. Even the tiny Iran and Cuba survived decades of sanctions.
Don't worry people, according to the Chinese media, It's all western media lies.
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A database of Uyghur victims is maintained here, with over 9000 entries. The site is also low on funds and in desperate need of donations.<p><a href="https://www.shahit.biz/eng/" rel="nofollow">https://www.shahit.biz/eng/</a>
Europe Portrays Both America and Iran As Rogue States At the UN<p><a href="https://nationalinterest.org/blog/skeptics/europe-portrays-both-america-and-iran-rogue-states-un-163851" rel="nofollow">https://nationalinterest.org/blog/skeptics/europe-portrays-b...</a>
“Repeat a lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth”, - that is a propaganda technique.<p>Some countries so desperately want chaos in Xinjiang as in HongKong.
Objectively, it may be relevant to note that the rich history of the Silk Road includes numerous cultural genocides, the largest of which was contemporary with the coming of Islam.<p>We have yet to even comprehend the vast trove of materials recovered from the region indicative of those past cultures, which includes a trove of languages, scripts and religious affiliations.<p>An amazing international digitization project hosted by the British Library at has full document search capabilities. <a href="http://idp.bl.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://idp.bl.uk/</a> ... scholars are desperately needed to sort and interpret the material, which crosses the Chinese, Indian, Central Asian and Tibetan worlds in addition to endemic kingdoms. <a href="https://i.pinimg.com/originals/59/73/5d/59735daf093ccb7787c7deae823fd8f3.png" rel="nofollow">https://i.pinimg.com/originals/59/73/5d/59735daf093ccb7787c7...</a><p>A fact little known amongst modern Chinese is that one of China's most celebrated poets, Li Bai, actually hailed from Central Asia (Kyrgyzstan). He relocated to Sichuan. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Bai" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Bai</a> Other popularly remnant modern Chinese cultural links to this region from China include the coming of Buddhism and the fictionalized account <i>Journey to the West</i>, the romanticized export of silk technology, former military significance of 'blood (sweating) horses' and no doubt various contributions to medical, astronomic and scientific knowledge.<p>The Uighurs, like hundreds of ethnic and cultural minorities globally, and dozens within China, are facing a difficult integration with the modern world surrounded by far more significant economic and cultural spheres. It's also objective to say that a minor Uighur-affiliated violent separatist group has been operating with a distinct anti-government position since at least the early 1990s, and prior to that the region was a victim of the Great Game: <a href="http://pratyeka.org/books/kazak-exodus/" rel="nofollow">http://pratyeka.org/books/kazak-exodus/</a><p>China historically allowed members of registered minority groups to be free of the one child policy, which otherwise affected all Chinese. The linked article asserts it is still being applied in Xinjiang and specifically against the Uighurs which is different to the rest of the country at present, but not historically. It would be good to see what the primary sources are on this.<p>There are potentially reasonable grounds for an international relations argument that nominally recent anti-Uighur measures might be, at least in part, traced to immediately contemporary post-911 "anti-terror" rhetoric by the US providing global laisser-faire on rights suspensions and heavy-handed tactics.<p>Conclusion: There is more to the story than a timely and simplistic villification, none of which excuses the actions being taken, but all of which add context.
Another holocaust is being committed right in front of everyone. What will the world do now? Sit back and keep taking advantage of the benefits of cheap Chinese labour? Isn't it time to wake up and cut this barbaric behavior if we're going to claim we moved past what happened in WWII?
Oh come on, China's a big powerful profitable country. And genocide has a special meaning, we can't just call any ethnic extermination a genocide, that'd be improper.<p>China will just keep on killing their Uighurs and companies will keep doing business there. There's perks, too, I bet CEOs can get organs if they need them, CHEAP, these days, if they bring manufacturing into China.
I don't think it's "whataboutism" to question the validity of a source as cartoonishly biased as the victims of communism foundation. These are the people that claim every covid death is a victim of communism.
"Adrian Zenz is a senior fellow in China studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation."<p>Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation? Ah ok.<p>Just as there is no prejudice or bias of any kind slipping into your scientific research ...
Yet American prisons don’t meet the UN standard? Abu Garson, etc.<p>All this hubbub about China’s human rights record is paving the way for Trump to stir up a fake conflict just before the election.
Seriously, suppression of birth?<p>According the exact same logic used by this ZENZ guy, China's majority group (Han) has been subjected to such "genocide" for decades. As a result of such "suppression", only 400 million Han Chinese were born in the last 30 years rather than the estimated 800+ million.
Hahaha, Zenz. People, please look at the sources before you go blindly believing the latest anti-China scare story.<p><a href="https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/" rel="nofollow">https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-...</a><p>> The second study relied on flimsy media reports and speculation. It was authored by Adrian Zenz, a far-right fundamentalist Christian who opposes homosexuality and gender equality, supports “scriptural spanking” of children, and believes he is “led by God” on a “mission” against China.<p>> As Washington ratchets up pressure on China, Zenz has been lifted out of obscurity and transformed almost overnight into a go-to pundit on Xinjiang. He has testified before Congress, providing commentary in outlets from the Wall Street Journal to Democracy Now!, and delivering expert quotes in the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists’ recent “China Cables” report. His Twitter bio notes that he is “moving across the Atlantic” from his native Germany.<p><a href="https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1208837915687706624" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1208837915687706624</a>
Why was "report says" just removed? It's in the headline of TFA and it was in the HN headline a minute ago. I'd consider it a salient piece of information given that the report isn't authored by the UN but by some christian fundamentalist.<p>EDIT: it's back now.