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Google adds "Black-owned" business attribute to local listings

43 pointsby waffle_ssalmost 5 years ago

23 comments

nico42almost 5 years ago
the road to hell is paved with good intentions.<p>* Any tool that allows to discriminate &quot;for&quot; allows to discriminate &quot;against&quot;<p>* What is the rational to be able to add &quot;black-owned&quot;, but not &quot;mexican-owned&quot; or anything else, are mexicans not victims of discriminations ?<p>* What is the end game ? Black people go to black-owned businesses, white people go to white-owned businesses ? this kind of anti-racism looks a little bit like segregation to me.<p>I&#x27;m not against any positive actions, but this one seems dangerous and could have unwanted indirect impacts
stef25almost 5 years ago
As a European I&#x27;m very far removed from all this and don&#x27;t really care either way.<p>But I can&#x27;t help but wonder - are there any Native American voices in this whole story? Black people got a raw deal but surely it&#x27;s incomparable with Native American history and they situation the few remaining find themselves in now. Or am I totally wrong?
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craigmboothalmost 5 years ago
In contrast to most of the comments here, I like this.<p>Earlier this year, I watched the first episode of Trigger Warning with Killer Mike (Netflix). In this episode he tried to spend a few days putting money only into black-owned businesses... It was a hard experience for him, and since then I have tried to be conscious of where my money goes, and if I have the option of selecting a black owned business intend to do so, and I am happy that there is an easy way for me to do that.
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gremlinsincalmost 5 years ago
I support BLM, the protesters, and reparations even, but this is damaging.<p>There&#x27;s way too many racists for businesses to put up a flag saying &#x27;Black and Proud&#x27; or &#x27;Gay and Proud&#x27;, a lot of bigots probably eat at a McDonald&#x27;s, they might stop if they learned the franchise owner is black, gay, or &lt;insert other minority&gt;. Anonymity can bring in more cash, which I think they could probably use, esp in this economy.<p>I&#x27;m sure, there&#x27;s a lot like myself who&#x27;d go out of our way to use these businesses, but I&#x27;m not sure if we outnumber the bad segments of society.
dirtyidalmost 5 years ago
It&#x27;s less intrusive than spamming my Google assistant quick actions with an undismissable &quot;black lives matter&quot; button for the last couple weeks. When tapped, it affirms BLM solidarity vow. My phone region wasn&#x27;t even North America.<p>More ontopic, wonder if this will be extended to other minorities. Easy way to filter out actually Mexican owned taco shops. Or Japanese owned sushi. What let&#x27;s go full political, what if I want to avoid Christian owned franchises like Chick-Fil-A. Maybe some of that Blue Vs Yellow division from HK.
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reactchainalmost 5 years ago
The next logical step of course is to start bumping up &quot;disadvantaged&quot; listings in search rankings.
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Grue3almost 5 years ago
What&#x27;s next, marking Jewish-owned businesses and LGBT-owned businesses? We don&#x27;t learn from history at all, do we?
bjt2n3904almost 5 years ago
&quot;Anti-racist&quot; strategies bewilder me. Am I now supposed to consider the skin color of the business owner before shopping there?<p>Because I thought making business decisions based on skin color was racist.
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eloffalmost 5 years ago
Is this a good thing? Why should I care about the skin color of the owner of a restaurant or business I&#x27;m thinking of going to?
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kepler1almost 5 years ago
This is getting really frustrating. How many tech company equity-based judgement calls are we going to be subjected to, that will not be extended to other groups that aren&#x27;t the popular favorites of the moment?<p>How about tags for restaurants owned by poor immigrants? Or how about veterans? Or people who are their family&#x27;s first people to go to college?<p>When are we done with this moment, or when does the equity get extended to other equity-worthy groups?
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aphrozalmost 5 years ago
Isn&#x27;t this the exact definition of racism ? Imagine if they started putting jewish owned business. It can be both used to promote and discriminate, but in both cases to differenciate people based on skin color. This is absurd.
zzo38computeralmost 5 years ago
It doesn&#x27;t matter to me if they are black-owned or women-led or whatever (and, in order to avoid (possibly unintentional) bias, perhaps it should not be listed by default, unless you specifically look for that information). I should think what matters is the quality of the products&#x2F;services. Business hours, telephone number, price, etc, are much more important than whether or not those people are black.
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hokkosalmost 5 years ago
Well, they already have the yellow star icon next to black owned, women-led icons, for the next step in their journey.
senectus1almost 5 years ago
now there is an interesting philosophical stance.<p>hmmm. I wonder if businesses are allowed to de-list &quot;attributes&quot;.
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kyriakosalmost 5 years ago
This is actually the definition of racism packaged as anti racism. I don&#x27;t get it, pointing out a business is black owned means you differentiate based on skin colour aiding discrimination.
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dathinabalmost 5 years ago
So Google went accidentally racist again?<p>Because the moment you treat someone different because of things like skin color it&#x27;s racist, you know.<p>Doesn&#x27;t matter if it&#x27;s a preferred or discriminatory treatment because any preferable treatment for one group of people based on race is a discrimination against all other.
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grizzlesalmost 5 years ago
Bad idea. Just like it is&#x2F;was stupid for them to surface the neo nazi content I&#x27;ve been shown in the last few years, eg. in Google News. I usually expect more from this company. Has Google gone hopelessly corporate?
pragmaticpiratealmost 5 years ago
Both woke and racist subgroup of people are very happy with this decision. While the former knows where to go shopping, and latter is more aware of what to avoid.
AnonCalmost 5 years ago
I’m fully in support of surfacing attributes about groups who are systemically discriminated against (African American, women, LGBTQ, etc.). I also appreciate knowing that some business is local, supporting the poor and those not privileged to have a decent education, the disabled, etc.<p>But considering how most of the world has turned strongly and violently right wing in the last few years, I’m also concerned about targeted attacks against such places in the light of this information. Yeah, if you won’t visit a place dominated by businesses owned or run by African Americans because of this fact alone, that’s problematic in itself. But if you’re against these groups and want to cause harm, now Google has made it easier for you to find them or inform people who think similarly in other places where they should target.<p>I don’t know if this move is beneficial or harmful overall at this point in time. I wish this had been done more than a decade ago though.
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Markoffalmost 5 years ago
all racists now thank Google for information how to avoid black businesses<p>they provide even Yellow stars for you to rate them
runawaybottlealmost 5 years ago
If the business owners choose to broadcast that label then it’s fine.<p>The only thing I don’t like about this social pattern is that it can over time lead to people becoming more prejudiced. Filter by white-owned, Chinese owned, etc. The worst version of it was when Germany labeled Jewish owned businesses.<p>The best way to deal with a bug is to not design a system where the bug could appear.
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sleepinseattlealmost 5 years ago
I’d suggest most of you read this as a longer form examination of policies like this:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;How_to_Be_an_Antiracist" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;How_to_Be_an_Antiracist</a><p>Rather than trying to make tired points in 140 characters.
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zapitaalmost 5 years ago
I&#x27;m seeing many comments calling this initiative &quot;racist&quot;, or at least going against the principles of all people being equal, etc. This is incorrect!<p>Racism is a hierarchical caste system based on a pseudo-scientific classification of people into races. The dominant form of racism, invented in Europe and exported all over the world via colonization and slavery, is built on the concept of a biologically superior &quot;white&quot; race. This form of racism, also known as white supremacy, is deeply embedded in the societies and institutions of European countries and their former colonies. The United States are no different.<p>In the United States specifically, Black people are in a special position, because their very existence as a group is the result of colonization and slavery. Their existence is a physical reminder of the racist origins of the US. And the injustice they continue to endure in the United States today - including of course police violence, but also housing discrimination, discrimination in the workplace, excessive incarceration, restricted voting rights, restricted access to healthcare and education, etc. - are a reminder of the fact that racism is still, today, deeply embedded in US institutions.<p>One consequence of this, in the US, is that there are few Black-owned businesses relative to the population, and as a result, Black people have less access to equity. Because equity is the primary mechanism for wealth increase in the US, and is taxed very favorably compared to wages, this means that Black people are not able to benefit from economic growth at the same rate as the rest of population. This is a self-reinforcing problem because a Black entrepreneur is much less likely to receive an investment from a bank or VC than a white entrepreneur of similar experience and risk profile.<p>This is a widely known problem, and one commonly proposed solution, if the US finance system won&#x27;t invest in Black businesses, is for Black people to &quot;invest in themselves&quot;, so to speak, by choosing to buy from Back-owned businesses whenever possible. So this is primarily about helping Black people support each other, in the absence of US institutions not supporting them appropriately.
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