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Patreon as a Platform Is in Trouble

10 pointsby felix1996almost 5 years ago

5 comments

dgellowalmost 5 years ago
The post is missing context. That&#x27;s what I can find:<p>- Owen Benjamin has been removed from Patreon late 2019<p>- His fans file suits against Patreon claiming they interfered in their economic relationship with a content creator<p>- Under Patreon terms of service at the time, such a complaint has to be settled via arbitration under California&#x27;s laws<p>- On January 1 Patreon changed their terms to ban users from filing complaints when someone is removed from the platform<p>- Patreon initiated a counter-suit against 72 complainers<p>- That has been denied Friday, Patreon will have to pay up to $10k per arbitration case<p>- Under California laws the updated terms of service can cause other legal issues (?)<p>- Patreon is now exposed to other lawsuits regarding other personalities removed from their platform
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sweismanalmost 5 years ago
To understand what is going on, a summary of the legal repartee going on is as follows, written by Vox Day, who formulated the legal strategy and to my understanding, basically wrote all the legal briefs.<p>The crazy thing is that neither the lawyers nor the Trust &amp; Safety people even read the Terms and Community Guidelines. I mean, one can excuse the gammas and the armchair lawyers for not knowing what the relevant rules and laws are, they&#x27;re mostly reacting to what they&#x27;ve seen floating around the Internet.<p>But it&#x27;s downright bizarre to me how the freaking lawyers don&#x27;t even know what they&#x27;re talking about. They&#x27;ll write dozens of filings all based on the same false premise.<p>WE KICKED OWEN OFF BECAUSE HE POSTED HATE SPEECH ON OUR PLATFORM!<p>No, he didn&#x27;t.<p>OKAY, WE KICKED HIM OFF BECAUSE HE POSTED HATE SPEECH ON INSTAGRAM AND WE POLICE OFF-PLATFORM SPEECH TOO!<p>Instagram is free.<p>WHAT? SO WHAT?<p>So Owen&#x27;s Patreon account didn&#x27;t fund his Instagram posts. Instagram is free.<p>WELL, UM, WE DID IT BECAUSE HE POSTED SOMETHING ON FACEBOOK!<p>Facebook is free too.<p>TWITTER?<p>That&#x27;s free too.<p>WELL, HE MADE VIDEOS! ON YOUTUBE. HE FUNDED THOSE ON PATREON!<p>No, he didn&#x27;t. He was monetized directly on YouTube and he never created a Patreon video project.<p>WE CAN KICK OFF ANYONE WE WANT FOR NO REASON AT ALL!<p>Allow me to introduce you to the Unruh Civil Rights Act of 1959....
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numpad0almost 5 years ago
Is there actual risk of imminent crash in Patreon? I do know they have&#x2F;had content policy&#x2F;cultural disagreement issues but
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Havocalmost 5 years ago
They seem to be creators. Where is this ideal that the whole platform is at risk coming from?
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smart_jackalalmost 5 years ago
It deserves to be in trouble considering they blatantly tried to kill speech of Saragon of Akkad and a few others. Monopoly shouldn&#x27;t be abused in this manner.
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