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Math Overflow users resolve PhD thesis crisis

653 pointsby DarkContinentalmost 5 years ago

16 comments

wencalmost 5 years ago
This reminds me of my Ph.D. crisis. (which I&#x27;m sure many former grad students can relate to)<p>I was in my 6th year. All my friends had graduated, and my stipend had run out. I was 2 weeks away from submission and discovered that one of my assumptions was wrong, which potentially distorted&#x2F;invalidated all my studies -- to fix these studies would have potentially delayed submission for months. It was a very subtle assumption violation (and it wasn&#x27;t even that wrong) and my committee probably wouldn&#x27;t even have noticed. I was tempted to sweep it under the carpet and not let it keep me from graduating.<p>But I knew it was wrong. I felt that if I sacrificed my integrity then, the moral failure would mark me for life. No one would know -- but I would know. So I decided to fix the issue, re-do the studies and live with the reality that I would have to delay my defense.<p>Turns out when you&#x27;re desperate -- and many grad students can attest to this -- a resourcefulness that you never thought you had kicks in (&quot;where were you during all my years of grad school?&quot;). I don&#x27;t remember how, but I somehow managed to wrangle new studies out in 3 days (which would have previously taken me months). I made the deadline in the end.<p>The lesson I learned was that committing to doing the right thing has its costs, but in some cases it also forces one to explore attacks never previously considered. Asking on MathOverflow is one such attack.
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oconnor663almost 5 years ago
A neat comment on the accepted answer:<p>&gt; From OP&#x27;s point of view this could be viewed as glass half-full rather than glass half-empty. Their dissertation results hold unequivocally on the sphere and might hold on the torus, though it is an open problem if they do. It is certainly legitimate to study what follows from a given conjecture being true. It could even be spun as a feature rather than a bug of the dissertation. If the results in fact fail on the torus then you know that the conjecture must be false. Potentially, it could open up a fruitful avenue of attack.<p>Kind of reminds me of Terence Tao&#x27;s post on what solving big problems looks like: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;terrytao.wordpress.com&#x2F;career-advice&#x2F;be-sceptical-of-your-own-work&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;terrytao.wordpress.com&#x2F;career-advice&#x2F;be-sceptical-of...</a>
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lifeisstillgoodalmost 5 years ago
The walled garden sweet spot<p>Stack overflow and it&#x27;s cousin sites have many serendipities like this - and I happily conjecture this happens more here than facebook or twitter.<p>I think the reason is that despite being a walled garden (ie proprietary) it still has a promise to open up the content and makes effort to moderate and grow the community - in other words what they are really selling is not the SEO but the sweet spot between &quot;anyone posts anything&quot; of an &quot;ideal&quot; internet where no rentiers exist but no one can find anyone else, and the much more corporate hand of Facebook.<p>I am not sure reddit exists in this sweet spot either - mostly because there is just sooo much reddit.
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generationPalmost 5 years ago
As far as notational clusterfucks go, crossing numbers (along with the three standard definitions of a ring) are one of the best-known ones to still be biting people on a regular basis. (&quot;Positive&quot; and &quot;natural number&quot; are sufficiently well-known that people are careful.) But imagine how it felt to do group theory back when &quot;group&quot; could mean any of &quot;abstract group&quot;, &quot;subgroup of GL(n)&quot;, &quot;finite group&quot;, &quot;monoid&quot;, &quot;semigroup&quot; and combinations thereof.
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fizixeralmost 5 years ago
OP is incredibly fortunate. Or maybe mathoverflow is that active&#x2F;supportive.<p>As a STEM grad student (not in math), I had more than a couple such moments of crises, when I posted my questions on various stackexchange websites. I got either useless replies, or no replies.
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supernova87aalmost 5 years ago
I have to say also that this type of crisis is not surprising (unfortunately) for math, or similar highly theoretical, <i>loner</i> fields. I can guess that the student asking the question is not being very open with his&#x2F;her advisor, has worked and struggled for long hours alone, thinking they have to solve it on their own, and is not super communicative and checking in about important aspects of the thesis. Because he&#x2F;she thinks it has to be a surprise &quot;breakthrough&quot; result -- a heavy obligation of the field&#x27;s expectations.<p>No responsible advisor would let the work get to such a state, so late in the game. Major fault of the advisor too, here.
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thaumasiotesalmost 5 years ago
I was contacted by someone in a PhD thesis crisis who wanted me to provide speech samples they were apparently missing. The thesis was due imminently.<p>As far as I could tell, the analysis was already done -- but my samples were needed for some other reason. I was kind of bemused by the idea that the analysis would be invalid with nothing behind it, but valid with unrelated data behind it.
ggmalmost 5 years ago
My insight was an eng. student whose novel outcome of a maths model in Fortran on a mainframe depended on his not understanding what uninitialised arrays were. This was in the 80s.<p>There was no interesting novel outcome: he was random-sampling prior states of memory.<p>I felt very bad for him, it was mid-stage. I didn&#x27;t hear how he resolved it.<p>The other side of this is the crisis which only emerges in the viva. I was working in Leeds uni in the 80s and overheard an external discussing a case he had: it was obvious the results were fraud. They made the student and his supervisor to the sums in the room, on the blackboard. He didn&#x27;t get his thesis.
benibelaalmost 5 years ago
I was in a PhD crisis, but I did not post it anywhere. Not sure if it is allowed to ask for outside help.<p>Although now I have finished the thesis without that part (it should have become an additional chapter). Perhaps I should post it around (although that might spoil it for a paper)<p>Consider n polynomial equations in variables x_1, .., x_n, with constants a_1,..,a_n, b_1,..,b_n, c_1,...,c_n:<p><pre><code> p_1 := a_1 x_1 x_2 + b_1 x_1 + c_1 x_2 + d_1 = 0 ... p_{n-1} := a_{n-1} x_{n-1} x_n + b_{n-1} x_{n-1} + c_{n-1} x_n + d_n = 0 p_n := a_{n} x_{n} x_1 + b_{n} x_{n} + c_{n} x_1 + d_n = 0 </code></pre> Under which circumstances exists a (unique) solution for x_1,..,x_n in terms of the constants?<p>I have found a recursive approach that results in a quadratic equation, containing only a single variable x_i (and the constants). (It is too much for a comment, here is a PDF: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;benibela.de&#x2F;tmp&#x2F;quadratic-equations-recursion.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;benibela.de&#x2F;tmp&#x2F;quadratic-equations-recursion.pdf</a> )<p>For example for n = 2, it is very simple: x^2_1 (a_2 b_1 - a_1 c_2) + x_1 (a_2 d_1 + b_2 b_1 - a_1 d_2 - c_1 c_2) + b_2 d_1 - c_1 d_2<p>This gives 2 solution. But I do not know what happens if the terms cancel each other out. Like if a_2 b_1 - a_1 c_2 = 0, there would only be one solution. But since the full solution in the pdf is so complex, I do not see which constraints would lead to cancellation there.<p>---<p>And that is not the full problem I was trying to solve. In the full problem there are constraints on the a, b, c, d. There is a given graph, and depending which nodes are connected in the graph, the constants are the same. Like if node 3 and node 7 are connected, then b_3 = c_7 und c_7 = b_3. (even more complex though). And then the question is, do these constants cancel in the solution of those equations? And the final problem we want to solve: which graphs lead to exactly one solution, and which graphs lead to no solution of the equations?
no_identdalmost 5 years ago
&gt;&quot;the faculty will not accept asymptotics&quot;<p>the hell does that mean?
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rvieiraalmost 5 years ago
I&#x27;m totally sympathetic with feeling the clock ticking for a PhD thesis submission (been there), however:<p>I knew I could take this route but never did it. This is a bit of a mockery of the whole purpose of a PhD thesis (it has to be <i>your</i> work primarily).<p>This is just an advanced version of posting homework questions on the internet.
thomalmost 5 years ago
This seems like a deeply flawed qualification, that smart people, noticing interesting properties of deep problems, are forced to panic in such ways.
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ReedJessenalmost 5 years ago
This kind of &quot;social media&quot; gives me faith in the ability of humanity to survive and thrive in the future.
blickentwapftalmost 5 years ago
You don’t often see mathematics emergencies.
leokennisalmost 5 years ago
Low quality comment, but this once again confirms what I already knew: I suck at math.
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jb775almost 5 years ago
Wisdom of the crowd in action.<p>I feel like this wisdom isn&#x27;t tapped into enough. We&#x27;re often burdened with individual tasks and challenges while utilizing crowd knowledge is looked down upon or seen as an inferior solution finding mechanism. e.g. Imagine if companies worked together to figure out self-driving cars rather than compete?
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